Manxst Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, TRon said: I don't think so. While Poch will always be one of the pioneering managers in recent Premier history, you can't get away from his lack of silverware, even at PSG with all the riches at his disposal he's failed to make it count in the CL. Don't know much about Ten Hag, but he seems to have the right sort of character. I wanted Ten Hag here but don’t know whether he’ll be a success at Man Utd or not. With us he would’ve been given responsibilities and allowed to do his own thing. If it’s true that the board at ManUtd sign players based on twitter trending and therefore possible commercial success, I can’t see it working long term. As Van Gaal says, they’re a commercial club whose priority is on the stock exchange, not predominantly on the pitchside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, Dinho lad said: How is Poch a pioneer? He ain’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 18 hours ago, madras said: McTominay ? Right, he's pretty good. You'd have thought they'd try to elevate the homegrown talent and make it the cultural backbone of the team. Also, I don't necessarily buy @Froggy's argument that Fergie got lucky. You had talented players nurtured by one of the best managers in the history of Football. What is shows is the incompetence of the front office since the Yanks took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Just now, The Bonk said: Right, he's pretty good. You'd have thought they'd try to elevate the homegrown talent and make it the cultural backbone of the team. Also, I don't necessarily buy @Froggy's argument that Fergie got lucky. You had talented players nurtured by one of the best managers in the history of Football. What is shows is the incompetence of the front office since the Yanks took over. I'm not saying Fergie wasn't good at nurturing talent, but a lot of amazing youngsters came through at the same time which was pretty much unheard of. I'm talking about the class of '92 specifically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 He’d have found a way, though? Like the reason he sold Kanchelskis, Ince, Hughes etc was because he had that group of players but if he didn’t have them, he’d have either kept those and still had success or signed quality players with the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, Froggy said: I'm not saying Fergie wasn't good at nurturing talent, but a lot of amazing youngsters came through at the same time which was pretty much unheard of. I'm talking about the class of '92 specifically. Fair enough, I'm just saying you can't overrate Fergie's contribution to that group of players rise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 21 hours ago, HTT II said: I think he’ll flop… Depends how much time they give him imo. Maybe he’ll hit the ground running and have them competing immediately, but immediate success shouldn’t come at the expense of laying new foundations. It’s a squad full of overpriced shite that needs to be completely overhauled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I am not sure any manager could fix them, they need to fundamentally shift how they buy players, shift a load of players who they can't because of wages and stop signing players based on marketability. They will make all the right notes initially maybe even have a good first season and then they will be unable to resist signing a arthritic Messi for the shirt sales at the expense of 4 or 5 other players Hag wanted and they will be no better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Aye, righto….Like those quality players Ferguson signed like Kleberson, Taibi, Powell, Djemba-Djemba, Veron, Bebe, Prunier, Tosic, Bellion, Ljajic, Obertan, Fangzhuo… Edited April 13, 2022 by Manxst Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Manxst said: Aye, righto….Like those quality players Ferguson signed like Kleberson, Taibi, Powell, Djemba-Djemba, Veron, Bebe, Prunier, Tosic, Bellion, Ljajic, Obertan, Fangzhuo… Like most managers, bought some good players and bad ones. It's rare you get managers having a very good success rate. Klopp's transfer record stands out for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Like most managers, bought some good players and bad ones. It's rare you get managers having a very good success rate. Klopp's transfer record stands out for me. Agreed, but I don’t think Fergusons success rate is anything to write home about. He struck lucky with the likes of Cantona, but to say he’d automatically sign quality replacement players with money is pushing the boat a little. Every manager has shitty signings though, it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Klopp has a hell of a lot of assistance from the transfer committee at Liverpool. Salah and Mane weren't his first choices for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 12/04/2022 at 21:06, The Bonk said: I honestly haven't paid much attention, just seemed anecdotally to be the case. Rashford, Greenwood and Lingard are all I can think of who have been through the ranks. How many has other top teams in the Premier League got that came through the ranks though? Liverpool has Trent and not much else. City has Foden. Chelsea is probably the big one with Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek and James. Arsenal Saka, Smith-Rowe. Spurs has Kane. I'm sure I've forgot a fair few, but for a top Premier League club, I would say Man United has been pretty good with nurturing their own talents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Nobody said: How many has other top teams in the Premier League got that came through the ranks though? Liverpool has Trent and not much else. City has Foden. Chelsea is probably the big one with Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek and James. Arsenal Saka, Smith-Rowe. Spurs has Kane. I'm sure I've forgot a fair few, but for a top Premier League club, I would say Man United has been pretty good with nurturing their own talents. Why do they always flame out? Whereas the other players you mention have higher/active roles within their respective clubs? Chelsea are definitely the pristine model and you're not wrong in that assessment across the big clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Dyche Leaving Burnley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCDoog Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Athletic saying he's been sacked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 wew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, 54 said: Dyche Leaving Burnley? He’s their best bet of staying up and has done a great job at Burnley. He will be the next Everton manager soon, guaranteed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRL Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Confirmed by Burnley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Something must have went on behind the scenes surely, to sack him now is plain silly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Don't mind Dyche me. Anar loads hate him on here but always find him alright meself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Last throw of the Allardyce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 That's Burnley down then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Last minute attempt at a new manager bounce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 All his coaching staff gone too which suggests they’ve sounded someone out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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