Hanshithispantz Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 "Same shit as Pardew" is just untrue though. He's never struggled massively with his wing play for a start. They've never struggled for goals as far as I can remember either. EDIT: I could do Carr's fucking job, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Everton were decent to watch in Moyes' latter years, IMO. They were often direct but I like to see that in teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If he used Sissoko the way he did Fellaini at Everton he might be on to something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway: http://i.imgur.com/Rx2eszv.png Never seen the verb "carpeted" before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If Moyes gets the sack, I'd be wary of taking him on right away. He's had a very bruising year and might need time to recharge his batteries. I quite like the cut of Uwe Rosler's jib. Anyway, for richer or poorer, I'm pretty sure we'll have Pards for one more season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'd still rather have Laudrup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is there anything more uninspiring than Moyes/Pulis to Nufc? Yeah, i know the idea of Pardew staying is worse. But f*** me, both c***s i mentioned is two negative dinosaurs and the personification of everything that is wrong with English football. I know you pretty much want anyone except Pardew, but come on. Absolutely incredible. Judging Moyes on one season makes you no better than the arseholes who bring up Pardew finishing 5th. Not many people are judging Moyes on one season, he was at Everton a long time. They played pretty dogged football for most of that time, although to be fair, they looked good last season. His failure at Man U though has shown his limitations. Football has moved on, and so have Everton. That's what we need to do as well. We played pretty dogged football at the start of his tenure because of the incredible amount of s**** we had on our books. He took a team which regularly included Big Dunc, Marcus Bent, Carsley, Kilbane, Pistone, Weir and Stubbs (to name just a few) to 4th. Did we play pretty football? Occasionally, not regularly. And it was exactly the right thing to do given we didn't have a pot to p*ss in and were stuck with generally poor players. He then recognised that if we were to progress - or even maintain our standards in the face of several teams with infinitely superior spending power - we need to buy better footballers but smartly, with Pienaar and Arteta being the 2 prime examples. This pattern continued as the years went by, albeit we were again limited due to a distinct lack of funds. It's not just last season we started playing better, we've been improving aesthetically for the past 6 or 7 years. His problem, as was the case throughout his time here, was his mentality. His actual acquisitions improved in terms of footballing quality and we more regularly played better football, but in the crunch moments he was let down by a lack of bottle and having to settle for 1 point when we should have got 3. This is what Martinez has changed. I think Moyes would be a good appointment for you, if that does transpire. He's obviously a million times better than Pardew and I'm pretty confident he'd get you challenging for the European positions. While I wouldn't expect people to be lining the streets in celebration upon his hypothetical appointment, the question you have to ask yourself is who better would you realistically get in this summer? Your assertion that football has moved on is a bit OTT but I can see what you're getting at; but that's all well and good in an idealist world. I think Moyes would represent a very good move, if he were interested. I honestly cannot remember ever hearing Everton being described as a defensive or boring team during his tenture, only since Martinez took over and Moyes' is failing at Man Utd. For real? Same s*** as Pardew, but Moyes was better at it AND was able to bring in the right players for it, unlike Pardew. If we get Moyes, we can sack Carr. So, just to get this straight, you would only get rid of Pardew if we got someone that was massively better? And that isn't David Moyes? A manager that had Everton consistently near the top of the table on a limited budget? You do realise that pretty much anyone in the Premier League is a massive improvement on Pardew, aye? They're NOTHING alike, just ask Neil or any other Everton fan what they think of Moyes. Meanwhile ask any NUFC fan, including yourself what they/you think of Pardew and then look at where Everton Finished, the way he had them playing towards the end of his tenure and then ask yourself the question "Would I take Moyes?" then, if the answer is anything other than "Fucking hell, of course I would, and we'd be incredibly lucky to get him here!" then you should be very, very ashamed of yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'd still rather have Laudrup There's dozens of managers I'd have ahead of Moyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Should be a pet hate that, people telling fans that they're wrong about their own club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 That's it. I'm going to self immolate outside The Strawberry if this cunt's still here in June. Does this not count as one of those drink-my-own-piss promises? Just asking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'm sure the point's been made on here before but Martinez has inherited an absolutely fantastic spine and foundation that was laid by Moyes, particularly defensively. This has become very overplayed like. Look at Everton's team this season. No one outside the back 5 was a regular(for a few years) under Moyes, no one. The back 5 - yeah sure they are a good unit. 2 decent CB's and GK with Jags, Distan and Howard and two quality attacking full backs. So a decent foundation there for sure. Not a "fantastic spine" though. Without some very, very shrewd loan-signings and promotion of Barkley by Martinez ,Moyes' squad was looking pretty fucking shit after the sale of Fellaini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Ben Arfa would be persona non grata under Moyes just as much as he is now imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Ben Arfa would be persona non grata under Moyes just as much as he is now imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway: http://i.imgur.com/Rx2eszv.png urgh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Moyes would be a massive upgrade on that festering arse-wart in every possible way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Arse-wart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Not sure Moyes is entertaining enough for The Flasher tbh. That's the absolute number 1 requirement for me these days, even before actually winning games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Not sure Moyes is entertaining enough for The Flasher tbh. That's the absolute number 1 requirement for me these days, even before actually winning games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Not sure Moyes is entertaining enough for The Flasher tbh. That's the absolute number 1 requirement for me these days, even before actually winning games. Don't encourage him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'm sure the point's been made on here before but Martinez has inherited an absolutely fantastic spine and foundation that was laid by Moyes, particularly defensively. This has become very overplayed like. Look at Everton's team this season. No one outside the back 5 was a regular(for a few years) under Moyes, no one. The back 5 - yeah sure they are a good unit. 2 decent CB's and GK with Jags, Distan and Howard and two quality attacking full backs. So a decent foundation there for sure. Not a "fantastic spine" though. Without some very, very shrewd loan-signings and promotion of Barkley by Martinez ,Moyes' squad was looking pretty f***ing s*** after the sale of Fellaini. Fair enough, 'spine' is probably the wrong term for it. I'd say the defensive foundations he laid and the legacy he left, particularly in terms of attitude, were fantastic and about as good as Martinez could have inherited. I think that players in that back 5 will orchestrate a lot of the on-field defensive stuff. They've got some proper leaders back there as well as defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtained Wasp Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 That's it. I'm going to self immolate outside The Strawberry if this c***'s still here in June. Does this not count as one of those drink-my-own-p*ss promises? Just asking. I've got that pencilled in as my avoiding-death-by-fire celebration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. I remember hearing those arguments against Brendan Rodgers a couple of seasons back. That Liverpool thread would be worth a re-visit from the first post to the last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I would take Sherwood just out of a need for change. I'd take Moyes because he's proven to be a very good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I would take Sherwood just out of a need for change. I'd take Moyes because he's proven to be a very good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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