Colos Short and Curlies Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Anyone defending Pardew on the basis that his hands are tied just ask yourself this question: All other things being equal squad wise, if Martinez and Pardew were in each others jobs (or Pardew and Pocchatino for that matter) would Newcastle be higher or lower than Everton (or Southampton). The answer to this tells you that Pardew is shit and must go #Team Hatem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Can't create a pardew out campaign getting local and national publicity to the site then complain when new people sign up and have different opinions tbh. They need schooling, it's a public service. Who's complaining? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Can't create a pardew out campaign getting local and national publicity to the site then complain when new people sign up and have different opinions tbh. They need schooling, it's a public service. Who's complaining? Treat with derision as some have done then, if that sits better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I just wish people would stop believing they're providing 'balance' by saying "Ashley is a bad man and he makes Pardew's job harder than it should be." Nobody is denying that, or the fact that we have too many forrins and no real leaders in the squad. I think most people would agree with that, but unless you can give any reasons why Pardew, as a manager, is in any way suitable for this club then what's the point in fighting his corner? He's piss poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I'm quite happy for people to come on and debate the subject. The issue is those who make their minds up & ridicule others who are making an effort to help the club without understanding the underlying arguments/concerns. Forums definitely give a bigger overview as people notice different things & narratives form that we are more sensitive to than many fans as we've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Here's my theory: Ashley certainly did interfere with tactics and team selections when we finished fifth. Pardew won the accolades (and manager of the year), but felt he needed to do it on his own without Ashley baby-sitting him, the man of dignity that he is, and asked the owner to stop interfering. We've been shit since then. Pardew out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I'm quite happy for people to come on and debate the subject. The issue is those who make their minds up & ridicule others who are making an effort to help the club without understanding the underlying arguments/concerns. Forums definitely give a bigger overview as people notice different things & narratives form that we are more sensitive to than many fans as we've seen. Plus we have a fairly wide range of posters who watch a lot of football from all over the world so you get some pretty good analysis of the game. By all means present whatever argument you like but it will need to stand up to some fairly thorough scrutiny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I'm quite happy for people to come on and debate the subject. The issue is those who make their minds up & ridicule others who are making an effort to help the club without understanding the underlying arguments/concerns. Forums definitely give a bigger overview as people notice different things & narratives form that we are more sensitive to than many fans as we've seen. As i see it, people who still support Pardew need our help, sympathy and if that doesn't work. Disgust and advice to watch their letterboxes as part of their therapy. By taking them in we are helping vunerable and retarded people from harming themselves. We are hero's tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Was it Mick Quinn who had it on good authority that Pardew would be replaced in the summer? Is Quinn well connected within the club to be believed? Micky Quinn another giant turd that spouts hot air on talkshite radio. The guy is a clown, a LFC obsessed freak, who pretends he really cares and is the sole voice for the NUFC supporters. He may had played for us once upon a time but this fat waste is so obsessed with his beloved LFC, he is completely out of touch with our club. Take everything he says with a pinch of salt. What a load of :gm's patter: your spouting ,out of all the Scousers in the media he is one of the only ones who for ages has been slagging of the regime and putting in a good word for us the fans about our predicament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Here's my theory: Ashley certainly did interfere with tactics and team selections when we finished fifth. Pardew won the accolades (and manager of the year), but felt he needed to do it on his own without Ashley baby-sitting him, the man of dignity that he is, and asked the owner to stop interfering. We've been s*** since then. Pardew out. Can you imagine if this is what's happened? Ashley's next move will then to be install himself as manager. Would be immense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew apologists are using false equivalence in the guise of balance. Like the media reporting on climate deniers. It's like there's some conservation of hate with them. If they hate Ashley a lot, then it means that they must hate Pardew less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Here's my theory: Ashley certainly did interfere with tactics and team selections when we finished fifth. Pardew won the accolades (and manager of the year), but felt he needed to do it on his own without Ashley baby-sitting him, the man of dignity that he is, and asked the owner to stop interfering. We've been s*** since then. Pardew out. Can you imagine if this is what's happened? Ashley's next move will then to be install himself as manager. Would be immense. Could Pardew Pardew himself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew Pardews himself everytime he looks in the mirror Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew has Pardewed himself numerous times! Continuously messes with lineups that have worked so well for us in the past. Going from 4-3-3 to 4-4-2. Moving Cisse from a central role to winger, as he did with Sissoko also. He's a disaster of epic proportions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew has no reflection man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. If any of this was true Pardew would run straight to the LMA demanding his contract is paid up, and he'd get it. Especially with their previous concerning Keegan. He'd walk away with his ego and reputation intact, which imho is the only thing he really cares about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. If any of this was true Pardew would run straight to the LMA demanding his contract is paid up, and he'd get it. Especially with their previous concerning Keegan. He'd walk away with his ego and reputation intact, which imho is the only thing he really cares about. Bingo. Nobody can argue with that tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest chopey Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 If pardew was on a one year rolling contract he would have been sacked this time last year, he's in a job now because it would cost too much to get rid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 If pardew was on a one year rolling contract he would have been sacked this time last year, he's in a job now because it would cost too much to get rid I think it's an eight-year rolling contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Here's my theory: Ashley certainly did interfere with tactics and team selections when we finished fifth. Pardew won the accolades (and manager of the year), but felt he needed to do it on his own without Ashley baby-sitting him, the man of dignity that he is, and asked the owner to stop interfering. We've been s*** since then. Pardew out. Can you imagine if this is what's happened? Ashley's next move will then to be install himself as manager. Would be immense. A manager who he might actually spend some money on. This could work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rent-A-Quote Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. Fair play to you mate. I'm similar but I signed up to post because I'm sick of him and some of the tripe he comes out with which some fans take on board and believe. Like a few have said you're entitled to your opinion, which whilst I don't agree with you, you seem to put your views across rationally so I know there's some sense in there somewhere. I used to have the blind faith to the team but slowly, surely, like the rest of the squad I've been Pardewed. The tactical decisions bit really stuck with me like it has the rest. Like Jack Flash has said which a lot of people over look, he lucked into a formation at the end of that season. The next year all he had to do was replace Ba with a left winger/left forward and keep to that style of play. Everyone knew Ba wanted more money and if we didn't give him it he was off, the only person who held on hope to keeping him was your very own Pards. Ba is a much better all round footballer than Cisse so could play on the wing, and still contribute to the team. Cisse, is one the worst footballers I have ever seen. At his age, if he still doesn't understand the offside rule then he never will. But when he gets into positions onside the bugger can finish. Very well as we all seen to devastating effect. All he had to do was keep the same team save for replacing Ba, and a new right back and centre half were needed. Yet we bought a centre mid, who can play right back. Now I love Vurn but he wasn't what we needed at the time. Fair enough that can be put on Ashley but it didn't mean Pards , who after saying we need loads of signings at the end of that season, had to come out and lick his ring as we get one signing in the wrong position and he's happy with the squad (!) considering we had Europe coming up, it's absolute madness. But like Pards' Purples, Pards 'tactics' are set in stone. A blank one! I think you're on a wind up but if I understand it you're basically saying that it's Ashley who makes Pardew play as bad as we have been. It's Mike who makes us hit that long diagonal to Williamson on set pieces. ALL the time. Was it Einsten who said to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity? But maybe Mike has a bet on Williamson to get an assist so insists it MUST be played to him to hit across the mixer/corridor of uncertainty/second six yard box and set up a goal? Could be. What about kick offs? Why do we always surrender possession in the same way? It's got Pards written all over it that! I can sort of see logic in the Cisse shop window thing, but as he is so horrendously out of confidence he looked worse everytime he was playing. It's down to the manager, to manage his players confidence. Maybe by not howking him out onto the wing to keep Demba Ba happy as since then he's looked a shadow of himself. With the right type of service in a short passing, possesion team like a Liverpool, Everton or Southampton sort of team he would be lethal. Same as Ben Arfa. Like SEMTEX pointed out, if Mike made Cisse play then surely he would insist Ben Arfa must be played as he's coming in to the last year of his contract and if he doesn't sign then he's off so he would want the most money he could get. Just imagine how many goals we would "fretten" with our "offensif players" if we had a manager of one of those teams I just mentioned. One who used tactics and who had a style of play. Everytime Wigan played us under Martinez they always outplayed us, even if we won. Imagine what he could do with players like ours. Look, the whole world knows our transfer policy and the constraints Pards is under. At the end of the day in any job especially a management role you get the most out of what you've got. Yes we have a small squad but it's not as bad as it is made to play(by Pards or Ashley). Again, a Martinez or a Rodgers would get so much more from this squad and the budget that Mike has given him. He hasn't had as little as he would make you believe. He's wasted talents like Vurn, Mapou, who at both over 6 million aren't bad players. I'm so glad Vurn's finally getting his chance, he's always been neat and tidy, keeps possession well and runs his socks off for the shirt, but bizarrely even though sometimes when he's played well then been dropped or played out of position for one of Pards' Purples, (see Gosling lately) I'll finish this essay with a quick look at Dan Gozza, who MUST be Pards love child. But now with your angle, I'm thinking must be Ashley's. It has to be the only reason he gets a game. Contributed absolutely nothing in his whole Toon career but inexplicably, the habitually injured player at the end of his contract with no chance of re signing is getting valuable game time that other players who have a future here could find very useful. A decent manager wouldn't waste time on a player like that. Wish we had one because our substandard one wasting two, I don't what the biggest insult is to us playing Shola or Gosling. He just knows he's teflon. I hate Ashley as much as the next person but not even Pardew's clueless tactics can be blame on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThievingMagpie Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 There's a good manager in there dying to come out but I reckon he's done here, if he stays...I don't know if I can handle another season of this dross...then again I say that all the time regarding United and yet I still keep watching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 There is no good manager in there. Just a filthy fucking snake I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Horrible cunt couldn't manage his sock drawer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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