TRon Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 No one is expecting this board to hire a top manager. A manager/coach who looks to play attacking football and understands the simple stuff, such as coaching the players to pass and move would be fine. All that needs to be said. How much are Sunderland paying Poyet? He's not even that special as a manager, but he's light years ahead of Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Wullie nailing it again! Since he arrived he has done nowt but dumb down the supporters and if you were to believe Pardew we are nothing but filler for this division, a club incapable of achieving anything who should be thankful for 'Mike' and 'front foot football', Souness, Roeder, Gullit, Dalglish and Big Sam were all awful managers for us but they all considered us a big club capable of great things and they had some degree of ambition despite their shiteness. Pardew is scum, sheer scum. As Wullie said he is a leech and a fraud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie1892 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I'm with Wullie. Pardew is pathetic. I think we all agree with that on this (last) page... It certainly wasn't what I was arguing... People need to read more closely and digest before replying at times... Hence why I use ellipses to help clarify... You state: "I agree that once he's done (got his money back) that his intentions could be to use us as a cash/advertising cow for himself and SD..." this is troubling, as myself and others contend that he's most certainly got his money back and has, for some time, been usong the club as a cash cow and billboard for s*** Direct and his tatty brands. Look at St James' Park FFS - it certainly concentrates the mind on the football/abusing Pardew; looking at the interior of the stadium makes me feel slightly queasy. I think what is disturbing is firstly you quoting me "..." But amending what I said... Secondly what is disturbing is you making the same point again and still mis-reading what I said... And thirdly that you are arguing with someone who is agreeing with you and saying the same thing... "I agree that once he's done that his intentions could be to use us as a cash/advertising cow for himself and SD... I agree he could also decide to just sell up after making balance sheet look as good as possible..." Read that and you will see that I'm in agreement with you... I don't see how you fail to understand that... He may have recouped his money already as others have suggested... That was not the point I was making though it was his intentions of what he will do with the club when he has... You say 'once' he's got his money back, I say he has already, and then some. I don't think that's the same argument at all. You also suggest - using the future tense - that he's going to use NUFC as a cash cow/billboard. I say he's doing that already, and then some (again). I'm not sure we're in agreement, but it's not especially important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bert Shaft Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I... Wish... Lfee... Would... F*ck... Off... Using... All... Those... Dots... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I'm with Wullie. Pardew is pathetic. I think we all agree with that on this (last) page... It certainly wasn't what I was arguing... People need to read more closely and digest before replying at times... Hence why I use ellipses to help clarify... You state: "I agree that once he's done (got his money back) that his intentions could be to use us as a cash/advertising cow for himself and SD..." this is troubling, as myself and others contend that he's most certainly got his money back and has, for some time, been usong the club as a cash cow and billboard for s*** Direct and his tatty brands. Look at St James' Park FFS - it certainly concentrates the mind on the football/abusing Pardew; looking at the interior of the stadium makes me feel slightly queasy. I think what is disturbing is firstly you quoting me "..." But amending what I said... Secondly what is disturbing is you making the same point again and still mis-reading what I said... And thirdly that you are arguing with someone who is agreeing with you and saying the same thing... "I agree that once he's done that his intentions could be to use us as a cash/advertising cow for himself and SD... I agree he could also decide to just sell up after making balance sheet look as good as possible..." Read that and you will see that I'm in agreement with you... I don't see how you fail to understand that... He may have recouped his money already as others have suggested... That was not the point I was making though it was his intentions of what he will do with the club when he has... You say 'once' he's got his money back, I say he has already, and then some. I don't think that's the same argument at all. You also suggest - using the future tense - that he's going to use NUFC as a cash cow/billboard. I say he's doing that already, and then some (again). I'm not sure we're in agreement, but it's not especially important. Once can be used in past tence... I had a feeling that's what was troubling you hence me clarifying it in my last paragraph in the post above... No one knows for sure either way hence why you can't be definitive about it if you are being reasonable about it... So to clarify "once" more... Since the falling out with the fans he has decided to claw his money back... Once he has done that he will continue to claw more money back in exactly the same vein (hence why it isn't really that important if he's clawed his original amount back already or not) ... Or he could decide to sell once he has has his money back or more... So in short I agree that he is using us as a cash cow now... I thought he was before... And he'll either continue to or sell us... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Sort out the fucking dots man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Extraordinary use of dots. Never seen anything like it. They are subbing for both commas and full stops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 http://www.psychforums.com/histrionic-personality/topic46485.html Section him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I know it can't be measured but I'd wager Ashley has already got his money back multiple times due to his shitty brand being plastered all over our stadium for the world to see. When he bought the club, shares in Sports Direct were £2.05. Today they are worth £6.57. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I agree not many top managers would work under these conditions and for such a low salary... I can't see any reference to us getting a top manager in the quote you agree with, what's your point? I agree he was stitched up by H&S which has been proven as he didn't do due diligence to uncover the debt and also with myself being a Freeman of Newcastle he didn't realise we are one of the few clubs that doesn't own the land the ground is built on which reduces the value of the club greatly... How was he stitched up by Hall & Shepherd? He stitched himself up by rushing into buying the club, he stitched himself up by not even doing basic checks like using Google to find out who owned the ground because all of us knew that we didn't own it. We had a thread on here about debt and I think we had discussed just about everything that was classed as debt. We all knew how Michael Owen was being paid for and that was the only thing they didn't know apart from the loan which we had discussed to death on here so it was public knowledge. I agree we are tied into a loveless marriage of sorts until he recovers the money he paid to buy the club and keep it afloat... I think most would agree with that minor point, a minor point which had nothing to do with what Disco had originally said. It's not a point which should be used to justify anybody being happy with Pardew or a reason why anybody should be willing to accept his position at the club. I agree that once he's done that his intentions could be to use us as a cash/advertising cow for himself and SD... That's happening now, I don't think "could" even comes into it. We're an advertising billboard for his shitty brand and the only reason he'll allow the club to use it's own money is to keep us in the Premiership and that is because of the cost of relegation and no more. Again, what has the comment got to do with the original point regarding Pardew? I agree he could also decide to just sell up after making balance sheet look as good as possible... He could decide to sell at any time. Again, what has that got to do with Pardew? I agree us whinging about AP on MB's is going to have no effect on wether he sticks with AP... So like I said... I don't think he said a lot wrong and agreed with the points I've highlighted... Wrong, talking about Pardew on here went a long way towards what happened in our last home game. Talk on here was enough to have banners produced and a walk out. Talk on here was probably the seed that ended up in Pardew sitting in the dugout because he was boo'd every time he stood up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I know it can't be measured but I'd wager Ashley has already got his money back multiple times due to his shitty brand being plastered all over our stadium for the world to see. When he bought the club, shares in Sports Direct were £2.05. Today they are worth £6.57. Pretty sure they were worth about 35p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Not sure, got the price from here https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=SPD.L&a=04&b=23&c=2007&d=07&e=9&f=2014&g=m&z=66&y=66 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I agree not many top managers would work under these conditions and for such a low salary... I can't see any reference to us getting a top manager in the quote you agree with, what's your point? I agree he was stitched up by H&S which has been proven as he didn't do due diligence to uncover the debt and also with myself being a Freeman of Newcastle he didn't realise we are one of the few clubs that doesn't own the land the ground is built on which reduces the value of the club greatly... How was he stitched up by Hall & Shepherd? He stitched himself up by rushing into buying the club, he stitched himself up by not even doing basic checks like using Google to find out who owned the ground because all of us knew that we didn't own it. We had a thread on here about debt and I think we had discussed just about everything that was classed as debt. We all knew how Michael Owen was being paid for and that was the only thing they didn't know apart from the loan which we had discussed to death on here so it was public knowledge. I agree we are tied into a loveless marriage of sorts until he recovers the money he paid to buy the club and keep it afloat... I think most would agree with that minor point, a minor point which had nothing to do with what Disco had originally said. It's not a point which should be used to justify anybody being happy with Pardew or a reason why anybody should be willing to accept his position at the club. I agree that once he's done that his intentions could be to use us as a cash/advertising cow for himself and SD... That's happening now, I don't think "could" even comes into it. We're an advertising billboard for his shitty brand and the only reason he'll allow the club to use it's own money is to keep us in the Premiership and that is because of the cost of relegation and no more. Again, what has the comment got to do with the original point regarding Pardew? I agree he could also decide to just sell up after making balance sheet look as good as possible... He could decide to sell at any time. Again, what has that got to do with Pardew? I agree us whinging about AP on MB's is going to have no effect on wether he sticks with AP... So like I said... I don't think he said a lot wrong and agreed with the points I've highlighted... Wrong, talking about Pardew on here went a long way towards what happened in our last home game. Talk on here was enough to have banners produced and a walk out. Talk on here was probably the seed that ended up in Pardew sitting in the dugout because he was boo'd every time he stood up. None of my comments have anything to do with AP... I've made this clear in my subsequent posts... I simply came into this thread and noticed someone had quoted someone else talking about MA and what he thought he was going to do with the club and I agreed with it by and large and since then I've subsequently misquoted and misinterpreted and attacked by people who've made comments which are by and large the same comments I've made and agree with yet somehow they think are making opposing remarks when they are not... Then to top it off you've went to a lot of trouble to break down my comments as if they are in relation to AP when none of them were... This is obviously not the thread for reasoned and intelligent debate so on that note I'll leave you all to fall out agreeing with yourselves... And you've all blew your chances of me stopping my ellipses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 None of my comments have anything to do with AP... I've made this clear in my subsequent posts... I simply came into this thread and noticed someone had quoted someone else talking about MA and what he thought he was going to do with the club and I agreed with it by and large and since then I've subsequently misquoted and misinterpreted and attacked by people who've made comments which are by and large the same comments I've made and agree with yet somehow they think are making opposing remarks when they are not... Then to top it off you've went to a lot of trouble to break down my comments as if they are in relation to AP when none of them were... This is obviously not the thread for reasoned and intelligent debate so on that note I'll leave you all to fall out agreeing with yourselves... And you've all blew your chances of me stopping my ellipses... The comments posted were in response to something about Pardew and were in defence of Pardew, funnily enough they were posted in the Pardew thread. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean it's not intelligent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie1892 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I agree not many top managers would work under these conditions and for such a low salary... I can't see any reference to us getting a top manager in the quote you agree with, what's your point? I agree he was stitched up by H&S which has been proven as he didn't do due diligence to uncover the debt and also with myself being a Freeman of Newcastle he didn't realise we are one of the few clubs that doesn't own the land the ground is built on which reduces the value of the club greatly... How was he stitched up by Hall & Shepherd? He stitched himself up by rushing into buying the club, he stitched himself up by not even doing basic checks like using Google to find out who owned the ground because all of us knew that we didn't own it. We had a thread on here about debt and I think we had discussed just about everything that was classed as debt. We all knew how Michael Owen was being paid for and that was the only thing they didn't know apart from the loan which we had discussed to death on here so it was public knowledge. I agree we are tied into a loveless marriage of sorts until he recovers the money he paid to buy the club and keep it afloat... I think most would agree with that minor point, a minor point which had nothing to do with what Disco had originally said. It's not a point which should be used to justify anybody being happy with Pardew or a reason why anybody should be willing to accept his position at the club. I agree that once he's done that his intentions could be to use us as a cash/advertising cow for himself and SD... That's happening now, I don't think "could" even comes into it. We're an advertising billboard for his shitty brand and the only reason he'll allow the club to use it's own money is to keep us in the Premiership and that is because of the cost of relegation and no more. Again, what has the comment got to do with the original point regarding Pardew? I agree he could also decide to just sell up after making balance sheet look as good as possible... He could decide to sell at any time. Again, what has that got to do with Pardew? I agree us whinging about AP on MB's is going to have no effect on wether he sticks with AP... So like I said... I don't think he said a lot wrong and agreed with the points I've highlighted... Wrong, talking about Pardew on here went a long way towards what happened in our last home game. Talk on here was enough to have banners produced and a walk out. Talk on here was probably the seed that ended up in Pardew sitting in the dugout because he was boo'd every time he stood up. None of my comments have anything to do with AP... I've made this clear in my subsequent posts... I simply came into this thread and noticed someone had quoted someone else talking about MA and what he thought he was going to do with the club and I agreed with it by and large and since then I've subsequently misquoted and misinterpreted and attacked by people who've made comments which are by and large the same comments I've made and agree with yet somehow they think are making opposing remarks when they are not... Then to top it off you've went to a lot of trouble to break down my comments as if they are in relation to AP when none of them were... This is obviously not the thread for reasoned and intelligent debate so on that note I'll leave you all to fall out agreeing with yourselves... I hope you mean that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 This is obviously not the thread for reasoned and intelligent debate so on that note I'll leave you all to fall out agreeing with yourselves... That's...rich... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 None of my comments have anything to do with AP... I've made this clear in my subsequent posts... I simply came into this thread and noticed someone had quoted someone else talking about MA and what he thought he was going to do with the club and I agreed with it by and large and since then I've subsequently misquoted and misinterpreted and attacked by people who've made comments which are by and large the same comments I've made and agree with yet somehow they think are making opposing remarks when they are not... Then to top it off you've went to a lot of trouble to break down my comments as if they are in relation to AP when none of them were... This is obviously not the thread for reasoned and intelligent debate so on that note I'll leave you all to fall out agreeing with yourselves... And you've all blew your chances of me stopping my ellipses... The comments posted were in response to something about Pardew and were in defence of Pardew, funnily enough they were posted in the Pardew thread. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean it's not intelligent. We all know just because it's the AP thread not every comment is relevant to him and and the one I commented on and especially the points I highlighted I agreed with were about MA and no Top manager wanting to work for us... The fact that you do all actually agree with me and yet you all seem to think you don't is where I get my concerns about the lack of intelligence been shown... I'll leave you to it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie1892 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 None of my comments have anything to do with AP... I've made this clear in my subsequent posts... I simply came into this thread and noticed someone had quoted someone else talking about MA and what he thought he was going to do with the club and I agreed with it by and large and since then I've subsequently misquoted and misinterpreted and attacked by people who've made comments which are by and large the same comments I've made and agree with yet somehow they think are making opposing remarks when they are not... Then to top it off you've went to a lot of trouble to break down my comments as if they are in relation to AP when none of them were... This is obviously not the thread for reasoned and intelligent debate so on that note I'll leave you all to fall out agreeing with yourselves... And you've all blew your chances of me stopping my ellipses... The comments posted were in response to something about Pardew and were in defence of Pardew, funnily enough they were posted in the Pardew thread. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean it's not intelligent. We all know just because it's the AP thread not every comment is relevant to him and and the one I commented on and especially the points I highlighted I agreed with were about MA and no Top manager wanting to work for us... The fact that you do all actually agree with me and yet you all seem to think you don't is where I get my concerns about the lack of intelligence been shown... I'll leave you to it... 2nd time you've said that. Please... just... go... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Those ellipses really are fucking annoying for some reason like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 State of some our fans man: Me: Probably worth mentioning we have a very easy run after the opening game. It'll be interesting to see what happens given the end of last season as some will give Pardew the benefit of the doubt and issue him some more time but if he doesn't pick up points early doors it'll be toxic very quickly, hopefully straightaway. Some knacker: Love to hear who you think should be in charge of the team. I doubt you have a credible answer. If you said it was for his antics at Hull and nothing else I might believe you. However the chances are that you are one of these anyone but him merchants who if they got their own way would be banging on about getting rid of the next manager in next to no time. Plenty of mackems play the delusional card but you and people like you they'd be right. Within the constraints he has had to operate Pardew has done a decent job. He's not the best manager in the world but he's probably the best we can hope to get. You can kick these bullshit ideas of getting the likes of Hiddink into touch. No top manager is going to accept the conditions that Pardew has had to accept. It's time for you to grow up and accept the position we are in. We have an owner who was mugged by Hall and Shepherd who now wants his money back. He's going to keep a tight rein on transfers and wages until he recovers the hidden debt. At that point he might walk away but more likely he'll use the club as a cash cow especially with the ridiculous TV deal that is place. Pardew is here to stay and no amount of whining on message boards is going to change that. Pack in Sky, pack in your season ticket and hope that he'll sell to some multi billionaire wants to spunk their wealth on the club. Kanckers like you will see us end up with another Vincent Tan, Al Fayed or that other knacker at Hull. Where's that from, Facebook? SMB unbelievably, making it even worse as it is totally unprovoked and was just a casual reply to Mick McMackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Refusing to speak to the written press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Refusing to speak to the written press. George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes 37m Shame when there's positivity around & some warmth from the club, but it's what Ashley wants. More tightening of access to come. George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes 40m As with most of pre-season, we're told Alan Pardew won't speak to written press after match. So I can't #askthehardquestions. #Nufc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Refusing to speak to the written press. Such a fucking cunt with an inflated ego. He's achieved nothing in the game and never will. Can not wait to see the back of him and for NUFC to not be associated with him ever again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Tin hat time: From Caulkins Tweets it appears Pardew is under instructions from those above him on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 as much as I hate him, he's doing as he's told, that isnt his choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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