Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Why did Swansea score just before half time and then come out still trying to play football? Why didn't they batten down the hatches and give us the ball? Time to come up with something new. This is getting rather boring. Is he wrong ? Wullie is 100% Perhaps it was just me but I thought there was a pretty extended period in that second half where we had more of the ball and looked more likely to score, they seemed happy to sit back and try and hit us on the break. Hasn't that been our gameplan for the season? Although, we've often sat back after a 2 goal lead, not 1 (which isn't very good but saying it's with a one goal advantage isn't true, IMO). We looked likely but we never seem to make clear cut chances, it always seems to be scrappy second ball hits. We never seem to slice team open. Bugs me that like. Not disagreeing with that, we're not a really creative side, although, Remy's chance (the handball) was a really good one. I just didn't think Swansea really tried to take it to us after the break, we settled down and they withdrew a bit and hit us on the break, which worked as we were all over the place in the middle. After the second goal, their tails were up and we were unforgivably abject, heads shouldn't drop like that. I was getting really annoyed at them dominating the middle, while Pardew changed it, he still left 2 in the middle which was suicidal against these. Such poor management. Especially when as you said we were all over the place in there. Yeah, I couldn't believe how thick some of the play was. I was fuming when some players were just letting their men go and run into acres of space. After the commitment and discipline we've recently seen, tonight was terrible. Tiote was abysmal and just seemed to leave the areas front of the defence constantly. Just too gung-ho, could've been avoided. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I'm still absolutely baffled as to why Tiote was used, then wasn't changed for Anita when it was pretty obvious that the match didn't suit Tiote. By that logic Tiote would be subbed in almost every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Why did Swansea score just before half time and then come out still trying to play football? Why didn't they batten down the hatches and give us the ball? Time to come up with something new. This is getting rather boring. Is he wrong ? Wullie is 100% Perhaps it was just me but I thought there was a pretty extended period in that second half where we had more of the ball and looked more likely to score, they seemed happy to sit back and try and hit us on the break. Hasn't that been our gameplan for the season? Although, we've often sat back after a 2 goal lead, not 1 (which isn't very good but saying it's with a one goal advantage isn't true, IMO). We looked likely but we never seem to make clear cut chances, it always seems to be scrappy second ball hits. We never seem to slice team open. Bugs me that like. Not disagreeing with that, we're not a really creative side, although, Remy's chance (the handball) was a really good one. I just didn't think Swansea really tried to take it to us after the break, we settled down and they withdrew a bit and hit us on the break, which worked as we were all over the place in the middle. After the second goal, their tails were up and we were unforgivably abject, heads shouldn't drop like that. This is a common theme. I think the players are as aware as the supporters that "falling behind = defeat" in almost all circumstances. I very much doubt there's any time spend doing anything other than working on Plan A, for which the mantra of "DO NOT CONCEDE FIRST" is everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Why did Swansea score just before half time and then come out still trying to play football? Why didn't they batten down the hatches and give us the ball? Time to come up with something new. This is getting rather boring. Is he wrong ? Wullie is 100% Perhaps it was just me but I thought there was a pretty extended period in that second half where we had more of the ball and looked more likely to score, they seemed happy to sit back and try and hit us on the break. Hasn't that been our gameplan for the season? Although, we've often sat back after a 2 goal lead, not 1 (which isn't very good but saying it's with a one goal advantage isn't true, IMO). We looked likely but we never seem to make clear cut chances, it always seems to be scrappy second ball hits. We never seem to slice team open. Bugs me that like. Not disagreeing with that, we're not a really creative side, although, Remy's chance (the handball) was a really good one. I just didn't think Swansea really tried to take it to us after the break, we settled down and they withdrew a bit and hit us on the break, which worked as we were all over the place in the middle. After the second goal, their tails were up and we were unforgivably abject, heads shouldn't drop like that. I was getting really annoyed at them dominating the middle, while Pardew changed it, he still left 2 in the middle which was suicidal against these. Such poor management. Especially when as you said we were all over the place in there. Yeah, I couldn't believe how thick some of the play was. I was fuming when some players were just letting their men go and run into acres of space. After the commitment and discipline we've recently seen, tonight was terrible. Tiote was abysmal and just seemed to leave the areas front of the defence constantly. Just too gung-ho, could've been avoided. Yep, back to us having no protection in front of the CB's again tonight. It's so obvious and poor you really have to wonder what Pardew is looking at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubblyDubblyDubbly Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I think Obertwat lost/gave away the ball every time he touched it. He's not as bad as Webb mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 When was the last time we controlled the midfield in the majority of both halves with Tiote on the field? Never happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 When was the last time we controlled the midfield in the majority of both halves with Tiote on the field? Never happens. Howay man, when was the last time we ever did that regardless of personnel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 When was the last time we controlled the midfield in the majority of both halves with Tiote on the field? Never happens. Should've been the first player off, he was absolutely terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 When was the last time we controlled the midfield in the majority of both halves with Tiote on the field? Never happens. Howay man, when was the last time we ever did that regardless of personnel? Just about the say the same... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Our last winning running finished with a bumming off a mediocre team in Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCONA Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bizarre subs. Like can't even work out the reasoning behind any of them. Other than the fact that shola can't do two 90 mins so close together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Why did Swansea score just before half time and then come out still trying to play football? Why didn't they batten down the hatches and give us the ball? Time to come up with something new. This is getting rather boring. Is he wrong ? Wullie is 100% Perhaps it was just me but I thought there was a pretty extended period in that second half where we had more of the ball and looked more likely to score, they seemed happy to sit back and try and hit us on the break. Hasn't that been our gameplan for the season? Although, we've often sat back after a 2 goal lead, not 1 (which isn't very good but saying it's with a one goal advantage isn't true, IMO). We looked likely but we never seem to make clear cut chances, it always seems to be scrappy second ball hits. We never seem to slice team open. Bugs me that like. Not disagreeing with that, we're not a really creative side, although, Remy's chance (the handball) was a really good one. I just didn't think Swansea really tried to take it to us after the break, we settled down and they withdrew a bit and hit us on the break, which worked as we were all over the place in the middle. After the second goal, their tails were up and we were unforgivably abject, heads shouldn't drop like that. This is a common theme. I think the players are as aware as the supporters that "falling behind = defeat" in almost all circumstances. I very much doubt there's any time spend doing anything other than working on Plan A, for which the mantra of "DO NOT CONCEDE FIRST" is everything. We go too offensive but lack a plan, we just push up and throw bodies forward. There was no contingency for them breaking, unless Tiote was back to thinking he was superman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bizarre subs. Like can't even work out the reasoning behind any of them. Other than the fact that shola can't do two 90 mins so close together The three that came off, think about it. They'll all play on Saturday. Pardew gave the game up so we can play the same line up against Manure. Profoundly encouraging is Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 When was the last time we controlled the midfield in the majority of both halves with Tiote on the field? Never happens. Howay man, when was the last time we ever did that regardless of personnel? Did it a few times with Guthrie and Cabaye in CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I love how Ronaldo comes on NO straight after a bad performance and basically states how he was right all along about Colo and Tiote.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Our last winning running finished with a bumming off a mediocre team in Wigan. This is what I'm afraid of. That this result will terrify the poor little beacon of eloquence and we'll go back to playing panic football for 90 minutes. I hope the players can pick themselves up for Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I love how Ronaldo comes on NO straight after a bad performance and basically states how he was right all along about Colo and Tiote.. I think you'll find he's never said anything any different. He was saying it all the way through the 4 wins in a row. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bit of a shiter, that. Especially disappointing considering our recent form. Performance seemed to lack any real intent, neither did we show an obvious gameplan. We did look bright just after half time, when the correct decision would have probably changed the game. Shola wasted a couple of decent chances, too. As it was, our heads dropped significantly after the second, and we left ourselves stupidly open. The subs hardly helped matters either. Struggle with the thinking behind those. Hope it turns out to be a blip, because we go to Old Trafford with a decent chance of getting something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I love how Ronaldo comes on NO straight after a bad performance and basically states how he was right all along about Colo and Tiote.. Neither, especially Tiote didn't even give a horrible performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Also, while Krul was fantastic against Spurs, I've not been massively impressed with him this season, mainly controlling his area and his distribution. I thought he could've done much better with the 1st and 3rd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Also, while Krul was fantastic against Spurs, I've not been massively impressed with him this season, mainly controlling his area and his distribution. I thought he could've done much better with the 1st and 3rd. We deserved nothing and that's what we got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Also, while Krul was fantastic against Spurs, I've not been massively impressed with him this season, mainly controlling his area and his distribution. I thought he could've done much better with the 1st and 3rd. We deserved nothing and that's what we got. Well, we still would've lost and I'm not suggesting we should've got a result Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Bit of a shiter, that. Especially disappointing considering our recent form. Performance seemed to lack any real intent, neither did we show an obvious gameplan. We did look bright just after half time, when the correct decision would have probably changed the game. Shola wasted a couple of decent chances, too. As it was, our heads dropped significantly after the second, and we left ourselves stupidly open. The subs hardly helped matters either. Struggle with the thinking behind those. Hope it turns out to be a blip, because we go to Old Trafford with a decent chance of getting something. We do, because they are almost as confused as us due to hiring Moyes, a manager totally at odds with the previous pure football philosophy carefully constructed by Ferguson. In a shootout between managers with a limited understanding of the game at the top level we have as good a chance as them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLK Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 A number of issues that contributed to this horrible result: 1. The team looked lethargic and many of the players were 2nd best. Shola, Cabaye, Sissoko, Santon, Colo and Krul were below par. 2. Missed golden chances to score the first goal although the Swansea keeper made a world class save. We could also have scored if Ameobi had taken that chance. 3. Wrong subs. You don't bring on Obertan when the team is 2 goals behind. Yes I think it was right to sub Shola but his replacement should have been Cisse or HBA. 4. Two poor goals conceded mainly due to errors by Krul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 A number of issues that contributed to this horrible result: 1. The team looked lethargic and many of the players were 2nd best. Shola, Cabaye, Sissoko, Santon, Colo and Krul were below par. 2. Missed golden chances to score the first goal although the Swansea keeper made a world class save. We could also have scored if Ameobi had taken that chance. 3. Wrong subs. You don't bring on Obertan when the team is 2 goals behind. Yes I think it was right to sub Shola but his replacement should have been Cisse or HBA. 4. Two poor goals conceded mainly due to errors by Krul. Bit difficult to bring on HBA or Cisse like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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