Froggy Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Bumping this thread to throw a few things out after being in the Team of the Season thread. It's a Manchester United thread, so surely I can't catch any shit from posting in here. Didn't want to derail a thread asking opinions on Bruno Fernandes so dug this up. @aussiemag @54 @nufc123 @Super Duper Branko Strupar @SiLvOR All of you listed Bruno Fernandes as one of the most overrated players this season. ----- 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes assisted the most xG of any player in the PL in 2022-23 (16.8), although his teammates scored only 8 goals from those passes. 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes 13.9 - Kevin De Bruyne 12.4 - Kieran Trippier 11.5 - Trent Alexander-Arnold 10.5 - Pascal Groß This is with large parts of the season with Wout Weghorst as his striker. May I ask what he would need to do to be rated fairly in your eyes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Not being a fucking cheating, moaning rat would be a good start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Bumping this thread to throw a few things out after being in the Team of the Season thread. It's a Manchester United thread, so surely I can't catch any shit from posting in here. Didn't want to derail a thread asking opinions on Bruno Fernandes so dug this up. @aussiemag @54 @nufc123 @Super Duper Branko Strupar @SiLvOR All of you listed Bruno Fernandes as one of the most overrated players this season. ----- 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes assisted the most xG of any player in the PL in 2022-23 (16.8), although his teammates scored only 8 goals from those passes. 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes 13.9 - Kevin De Bruyne 12.4 - Kieran Trippier 11.5 - Trent Alexander-Arnold 10.5 - Pascal Groß This is with large parts of the season with Wout Weghorst as his striker. May I ask what he would need to do to be rated fairly in your eyes? Stop throwing himself to the floor then crying, with the expression of a donkey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I made my decision purely on vibes and a biased opinion, without any care in the world for underlying stats, and i'm sticking with it. Sorry @Froggy, Fernandes is completely overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 When it looks like everyone on the team hates playing with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 It's even more annoying when class players behave like shits and seem like they're having a terrible time on the pitch. You're mint at football, just stop being a dickhead and enjoy it. Martial is quite similar, although he's more miserable than annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: It's even more annoying when class players behave like shits and seem like they're having a terrible time on the pitch. You're mint at football, just stop being a dickhead and enjoy it. Martial is quite similar, although he's more miserable than annoying. Don't think i've ever seen Martial smile. It's like he's permanently depressed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, 54 said: I made my decision purely on vibes and a biased opinion, without any care in the world for underlying stats, and i'm sticking with it. Sorry @Froggy, Fernandes is completely overrated. I know that's what all these opinions are based on, I just wanted to hear it from the horses mouth. Fair play to you for being honest. 5 minutes ago, OCK said: When it looks like everyone on the team hates playing with him Can't say I've seen this myself barring one occasion with Sancho this season. 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: It's even more annoying when class players behave like shits and seem like they're having a terrible time on the pitch. You're mint at football, just stop being a dickhead and enjoy it. Martial is quite similar, although he's more miserable than annoying. Fully agree with this. Extremely frustrating how much of a yap he is. Wish he would stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 He's a talent, no doubt and comes across as measured and intelligent in the interviews I've seen him give. But once he crosses that white line he becomes an absolutely insufferable, whining, cheating rat. Quite the Jekyll and Hyde. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Froggy said: Bumping this thread to throw a few things out after being in the Team of the Season thread. It's a Manchester United thread, so surely I can't catch any shit from posting in here. Didn't want to derail a thread asking opinions on Bruno Fernandes so dug this up. @aussiemag @54 @nufc123 @Super Duper Branko Strupar @SiLvOR All of you listed Bruno Fernandes as one of the most overrated players this season. ----- 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes assisted the most xG of any player in the PL in 2022-23 (16.8), although his teammates scored only 8 goals from those passes. 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes 13.9 - Kevin De Bruyne 12.4 - Kieran Trippier 11.5 - Trent Alexander-Arnold 10.5 - Pascal Groß This is with large parts of the season with Wout Weghorst as his striker. May I ask what he would need to do to be rated fairly in your eyes? Not be massively over-rated and utter shite. The whiney little rat faced, bum fluffed chin, powder-puff, cry eyed little scum bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Can someone quantify what his current rating is? How is one to deem him under/over rated without a rating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I just think he's a massive cunt, @Froggy and I haven't watched nearly enough games of yours to make a level headed judgement. So yeah, that's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Think that's basically the consensus. I don't really know if he's overrated in football terms and I couldn't care less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, SiLvOR said: I just think he's a massive cunt, @Froggy and I haven't watched nearly enough games of yours to make a level headed judgement. So yeah, that's it Appreciate the honesty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 NWOAT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotic Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Yeah, so he can be a very good player (which he undoubtedly is), one of the key components of a solid Manchester United season (which he undoubtedly is), and yet be a whinging, moaning, diving prick (which he also undoubtedly is). He's rated "just right" in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 He's a good player, arguably very good, the only issue I have is when Man-U fans try to claim he's on par or even above KDB In terms of the stats shared I'd argue his numbers are higher as it mostly goes through him, the likes of KDB isn't as high as the chances created is shared around a bit more, same applies to Arsenal players And ultimately he's a massive prick, that will always play a part in how people rate him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Antony though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Froggy said: Bumping this thread to throw a few things out after being in the Team of the Season thread. It's a Manchester United thread, so surely I can't catch any shit from posting in here. Didn't want to derail a thread asking opinions on Bruno Fernandes so dug this up. @aussiemag @54 @nufc123 @Super Duper Branko Strupar @SiLvOR All of you listed Bruno Fernandes as one of the most overrated players this season. ----- 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes assisted the most xG of any player in the PL in 2022-23 (16.8), although his teammates scored only 8 goals from those passes. 16.8 - Bruno Fernandes 13.9 - Kevin De Bruyne 12.4 - Kieran Trippier 11.5 - Trent Alexander-Arnold 10.5 - Pascal Groß This is with large parts of the season with Wout Weghorst as his striker. May I ask what he would need to do to be rated fairly in your eyes? Hes a good player its not that, and you can give me all that stats x here and x there all day trying to impress me, but when you compare him to other similar players like De Bruyne and Odegaard his numbers in terms of goals/assists is not that great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: He's a good player, arguably very good, the only issue I have is when Man-U fans try to claim he's on par or even above KDB Eh, surely nobody has ever claimed that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Just now, MrRaspberryJam said: Eh, surely nobody has ever claimed that? My two older brothers support Man-U and they very much try to do it And they use shitty stats like those that were shared to try and suggest he'd have better numbers than KDB if he played for City It's doylem logic but here we are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Eh, surely nobody has ever claimed that? Froggy is trying his best just a page back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Hes a good player its not that, and you can give me all that stats x here and x there all day trying to impress me, but when you compare him to other similar players like De Bruyne and Odegaard his numbers in terms of goals/assists is not that great. Do you mean this season? He has more assists than Odegaard and more goals than De Bruyne. If you're including seasons before only De Bruyne is even close to him. I'm fairly sure that Fernandes has more goal involvements than anyone except Messi in the top five leagues since he came into the league. I just don't think people understand how good his numbers are. It's something like 120 G+A in 200 games. I think it's a fair argument to say that if Fernandes had Haaland up top as well that he would have significantly more assists. That isn't me saying Fernandes is better than De Bruyne BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Do you mean this season? He has more assists than Odegaard and more goals than De Bruyne. In the PL? Odegaard has the same amount in assist but almost double in goals. One goal more than De Bruyne but 10 more assists. None of them take pens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Fwiw in terms of minutes Fernandes has played almost 10 games more than KDB Though not like that stat is needed to know they aren't on the same level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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