Other clubs' transfers

[Neil]

Maybe your hypothesis is that the NFF, which recently was unable to find funds to fly the players to the Olympics or provide match balls for a senior-level international, is using new age technological advances to defeat these measures, I don't know.

 

:lol:

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

He definitely doesn't seem like a Man U striker. I know what you mean.

 

Don't think this will go well especially with Mou at the helm. Got a bad feeling about it.

At the moment, Man U are a disjointed side that needs goals. Outside of Kane and maybe Aguero, there is not another player in the England that more assuredly will provide them.

Amazing signing the team that finishes above man u will win the title

 

I can't shake the feeling that I heard this last year.

For all that they have spent since Ferguson left, I still find their squad very underwhelming outside of the superstars. Most of their players are purely functional.

[ponsaelius]

Nigeria have won 5 U17 World Cups and been runner up 3 times. Way more than any other country. That success never translates to U20 or full team, and the significant majority of the winning players disappear into thin air.

 

If they aren't fiddling the ages I'd be amazed.

They have had MRI testing in the u-17 tournaments since 2008 or so and since then Nigeria has won both the 2013 and 2015 u-17 titles. In fact, I believe they are tested before both the African and World level events so that players like Wilfried Ndidi who passed once can still be barred from competing. Maybe your hypothesis is that the NFF, which recently was unable to find funds to fly the players to the Olympics or provide match balls for a senior-level international, is using new age technological advances to defeat these measures, I don't know.

 

Fwiw, they have also have had plenty of success at u-20, Olympic, and senior level since the mid-90's, with good players worldwide. This is not Sri Lanka winning youth tournaments.

 

Well success in U-20 can be achieved using age cheating too. There is a clear and obvious disparity between the dominance of Nigerian U17 sides and the failures of the senior side in comparison. Now, maybe the 2013 and 2015 winning sides are going to lead onto a new golden generation for the Super Eagles. However I'd argue that what is more likely is that the vast majority of the players will disappear off the face of the earth and Nigeria will continue the recent joy of failing to qualify for the 2015 and 2017 major international tournaments.

 

http://www.eurosport.com/football/nigerian-u17-team-wiped-out-as-all-but-two-players-fail-age-test_sto5707677/story.shtml

 

[Teasy]

Iheanacho for that price is "value" ffs, it's pretty cheap for a young player who has scored goals and will only continue to improve.

 

We're mugs for not being interested, but at least we'll save £17m and get some shite second rate French prick to become Riviere II eh. Every cloud #value

 

I know he's young, but £25m is value for a player who scored 4 goals in the 20 Premier League matches last season?  It isn't like, I mean he might end up being worth it but ffs that isn't some bargain price, he's potential not proven.

[Dave]

Less than six games worth of playing time like.

[Dave]

And proven now costs three times as much.

[ElDiablo]

Happy we stepped aside for Iheanacho. He's someone who's clearly got talent but there's definitely question marks over how well he'll transition into a team where he'll have to work a lot harder in all departments to be successful.

[ponsaelius]

I do like Iheanacho from what I've seen.

 

Thing is he has a cracking record of goals scored for when he's on the pitch. However, like was mentioned, they're often coming in games that are killed off and in a side with amazing creative players.

 

It's really hard to judge him as a player because of that, but he's probably a very reasonable gamble.

[Teasy]

Aye he's potential, looks a really good player.  But you can't say he's value at £25m based on the fact that he hasn't played much so he might score loads if he did.  Personally I'd take the risk on him if we've got the budget for other areas as well, but I don't agree that its a bargain price.

[Teasy]

And proven now costs three times as much.

 

What three times £25m?  That's what Lukaku costs and he's a lot more than just a good proven striker, hes a real top striker, and he's also still young and has potential to get even better.

[Yorkie]

Is he the least Man Utd striker to ever be signed by Man Utd, or am I forgetting someone?

 

Maybe the miserable little chopper-loving cunt.

[Dave]

And proven now costs three times as much.

 

What three times £25m?  That's what Lukaku costs and he's a lot more than just a good proven striker, hes a real top striker, and he's also still young and has potential to get even better.

 

Yeah that's what I meant. He's a proven striker, and we simply can't compete for them.

[Dave]

Or at least double, anyway (Lacazette).

[ElDiablo]

For goals to pound ratio we should've gone for Jon Walters.

[mighty__mag]

Amazing signing the team that finishes above man u will win the title

 

Im not convinced this suddenly propels Man Utd into sudden favourites for a title challenge. I can still see them battling with Arsenal and Liverpool for that fourth CL spot.

[Pilko]

For goals to pound ratio we should've gone for Jon Walters.

 

Wouldn't get many for us as a) we never win pens and b) he can't score against us.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Nigeria have won 5 U17 World Cups and been runner up 3 times. Way more than any other country. That success never translates to U20 or full team, and the significant majority of the winning players disappear into thin air.

 

If they aren't fiddling the ages I'd be amazed.

They have had MRI testing in the u-17 tournaments since 2008 or so and since then Nigeria has won both the 2013 and 2015 u-17 titles. In fact, I believe they are tested before both the African and World level events so that players like Wilfried Ndidi who passed once can still be barred from competing. Maybe your hypothesis is that the NFF, which recently was unable to find funds to fly the players to the Olympics or provide match balls for a senior-level international, is using new age technological advances to defeat these measures, I don't know.

 

Fwiw, they have also have had plenty of success at u-20, Olympic, and senior level since the mid-90's, with good players worldwide. This is not Sri Lanka winning youth tournaments.

 

Well success in U-20 can be achieved using age cheating too. There is a clear and obvious disparity between the dominance of Nigerian U17 sides and the failures of the senior side in comparison. Now, maybe the 2013 and 2015 winning sides are going to lead onto a new golden generation for the Super Eagles. However I'd argue that what is more likely is that the vast majority of the players will disappear off the face of the earth and Nigeria will continue the recent joy of failing to qualify for the 2015 and 2017 major international tournaments.

 

http://www.eurosport.com/football/nigerian-u17-team-wiped-out-as-all-but-two-players-fail-age-test_sto5707677/story.shtml

 

Failures for 2015 and 2017 are irrelevant when compared with a victory in 2013 and consistent success in the tournaments previous to this. Nigeria has underachieved of course, but they have been at five of the past six World Cups and to the second round thrice, so the idea that they are a disaster at world level is laughable. Our players also do quite well abroad. Nigerian football is extractive (no serious local league or infrastructure) and corrupt and will probably fail until this not the case, but what does that have to do with Kelechi Iheanacho? He is clearly the age he states, and you are talking rubbish. Fwiw, the boys from 2013 are already doing quite well abroad, probably better than their Mexican or Swiss counterparts before them.

[Shak]

Rich back posting and Baba fighting with people about the age of Nigerian footballers.

 

Solid nostalgia the last couple of pages.

[ponsaelius]

Nigeria have won 5 U17 World Cups and been runner up 3 times. Way more than any other country. That success never translates to U20 or full team, and the significant majority of the winning players disappear into thin air.

 

If they aren't fiddling the ages I'd be amazed.

They have had MRI testing in the u-17 tournaments since 2008 or so and since then Nigeria has won both the 2013 and 2015 u-17 titles. In fact, I believe they are tested before both the African and World level events so that players like Wilfried Ndidi who passed once can still be barred from competing. Maybe your hypothesis is that the NFF, which recently was unable to find funds to fly the players to the Olympics or provide match balls for a senior-level international, is using new age technological advances to defeat these measures, I don't know.

 

Fwiw, they have also have had plenty of success at u-20, Olympic, and senior level since the mid-90's, with good players worldwide. This is not Sri Lanka winning youth tournaments.

 

Well success in U-20 can be achieved using age cheating too. There is a clear and obvious disparity between the dominance of Nigerian U17 sides and the failures of the senior side in comparison. Now, maybe the 2013 and 2015 winning sides are going to lead onto a new golden generation for the Super Eagles. However I'd argue that what is more likely is that the vast majority of the players will disappear off the face of the earth and Nigeria will continue the recent joy of failing to qualify for the 2015 and 2017 major international tournaments.

 

http://www.eurosport.com/football/nigerian-u17-team-wiped-out-as-all-but-two-players-fail-age-test_sto5707677/story.shtml

 

Failures for 2015 and 2017 are irrelevant when compared with a victory in 2013 and consistent success in the tournaments previous to this. Nigeria has underachieved of course, but they have been at five of the past six World Cups and to the second round thrice, so the idea that they are a disaster at world level is laughable. Our players also do quite well abroad. Nigerian football is extractive (no serious local league or infrastructure) and corrupt and will probably fail until this not the case, but what does that have to do with Kelechi Iheanacho? He is clearly the age he states, and you are talking rubbish. Fwiw, the boys from 2013 are already doing quite well abroad, probably better than their Mexican or Swiss counterparts before them.

 

All of this may be true, but again you're ignoring the point that Nigeria goes from being THE dominant force in world football at youth level - to being a top 30/40 team at full international level. There is quite clearly something amiss there, more than simply a lack of infrastructure and solid local league. What's to say Iheanacho is the age he's saying he is? I bet a google search would return a load of Nigerian bloggers speculating that he's older. Simply can't take anything for granted considering track record.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Nigeria have won 5 U17 World Cups and been runner up 3 times. Way more than any other country. That success never translates to U20 or full team, and the significant majority of the winning players disappear into thin air.

 

If they aren't fiddling the ages I'd be amazed.

They have had MRI testing in the u-17 tournaments since 2008 or so and since then Nigeria has won both the 2013 and 2015 u-17 titles. In fact, I believe they are tested before both the African and World level events so that players like Wilfried Ndidi who passed once can still be barred from competing. Maybe your hypothesis is that the NFF, which recently was unable to find funds to fly the players to the Olympics or provide match balls for a senior-level international, is using new age technological advances to defeat these measures, I don't know.

 

Fwiw, they have also have had plenty of success at u-20, Olympic, and senior level since the mid-90's, with good players worldwide. This is not Sri Lanka winning youth tournaments.

 

Well success in U-20 can be achieved using age cheating too. There is a clear and obvious disparity between the dominance of Nigerian U17 sides and the failures of the senior side in comparison. Now, maybe the 2013 and 2015 winning sides are going to lead onto a new golden generation for the Super Eagles. However I'd argue that what is more likely is that the vast majority of the players will disappear off the face of the earth and Nigeria will continue the recent joy of failing to qualify for the 2015 and 2017 major international tournaments.

 

http://www.eurosport.com/football/nigerian-u17-team-wiped-out-as-all-but-two-players-fail-age-test_sto5707677/story.shtml

 

Failures for 2015 and 2017 are irrelevant when compared with a victory in 2013 and consistent success in the tournaments previous to this. Nigeria has underachieved of course, but they have been at five of the past six World Cups and to the second round thrice, so the idea that they are a disaster at world level is laughable. Our players also do quite well abroad. Nigerian football is extractive (no serious local league or infrastructure) and corrupt and will probably fail until this not the case, but what does that have to do with Kelechi Iheanacho? He is clearly the age he states, and you are talking rubbish. Fwiw, the boys from 2013 are already doing quite well abroad, probably better than their Mexican or Swiss counterparts before them.

 

All of this may be true, but again you're ignoring the point that Nigeria goes from being THE dominant force in world football at youth level - to being a top 30/40 team at full international level. There is quite clearly something amiss there, more than simply a lack of infrastructure and solid local league. What's to say Iheanacho is the age he's saying he is? I bet a google search would return a load of Nigerian bloggers speculating that he's older. Simply can't take anything for granted considering track record.

He has passed several scientific third party tests proving as much. Adam Armstrong hasn't passed a single one, so it is my position to now foolish speculate that he was born in Brunei in the year 1976. I have a better case than you do for Iheanacho. Most teams just cannot deal with the physicality of our players at youth level. This is why 2013 excited me much more than 2015, Kelechi's side played great football, 2015 just ran past and pushed through less physical sides. Nigeria is still one of the fastest and strongest at senior level, but more is required there and we lack often lack the technique and more crucially organisation of the top tier sides, in addition to the issues previously stated. This is just my opinion though, anyone with knowledge on the matter can form their own.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

England are fairly decent at youth level and totally appalling at senior level/international tournaments.

 

Maybe Gary Cahill is really 72.

[mrmojorisin75]

Nigeria have won 5 U17 World Cups and been runner up 3 times. Way more than any other country. That success never translates to U20 or full team, and the significant majority of the winning players disappear into thin air.

 

If they aren't fiddling the ages I'd be amazed.

They have had MRI testing in the u-17 tournaments since 2008 or so and since then Nigeria has won both the 2013 and 2015 u-17 titles. In fact, I believe they are tested before both the African and World level events so that players like Wilfried Ndidi who passed once can still be barred from competing. Maybe your hypothesis is that the NFF, which recently was unable to find funds to fly the players to the Olympics or provide match balls for a senior-level international, is using new age technological advances to defeat these measures, I don't know.

 

Fwiw, they have also have had plenty of success at u-20, Olympic, and senior level since the mid-90's, with good players worldwide. This is not Sri Lanka winning youth tournaments.

 

Well success in U-20 can be achieved using age cheating too. There is a clear and obvious disparity between the dominance of Nigerian U17 sides and the failures of the senior side in comparison. Now, maybe the 2013 and 2015 winning sides are going to lead onto a new golden generation for the Super Eagles. However I'd argue that what is more likely is that the vast majority of the players will disappear off the face of the earth and Nigeria will continue the recent joy of failing to qualify for the 2015 and 2017 major international tournaments.

 

http://www.eurosport.com/football/nigerian-u17-team-wiped-out-as-all-but-two-players-fail-age-test_sto5707677/story.shtml

 

Failures for 2015 and 2017 are irrelevant when compared with a victory in 2013 and consistent success in the tournaments previous to this. Nigeria has underachieved of course, but they have been at five of the past six World Cups and to the second round thrice, so the idea that they are a disaster at world level is laughable. Our players also do quite well abroad. Nigerian football is extractive (no serious local league or infrastructure) and corrupt and will probably fail until this not the case, but what does that have to do with Kelechi Iheanacho? He is clearly the age he states, and you are talking rubbish. Fwiw, the boys from 2013 are already doing quite well abroad, probably better than their Mexican or Swiss counterparts before them.

 

All of this may be true, but again you're ignoring the point that Nigeria goes from being THE dominant force in world football at youth level - to being a top 30/40 team at full international level. There is quite clearly something amiss there, more than simply a lack of infrastructure and solid local league. What's to say Iheanacho is the age he's saying he is? I bet a google search would return a load of Nigerian bloggers speculating that he's older. Simply can't take anything for granted considering track record.

He has passed several scientific third party tests proving as much. Adam Armstrong hasn't passed a single one, so it is my position to now foolish speculate that he was born in Brunei in the year 1976. I have a better case than you do for Iheanacho. Most teams just cannot deal with the physicality of our players at youth level. This is why 2013 excited me much more than 2015, Kelechi's side played great football, 2015 just ran past and pushed through less physical sides. Nigeria is still one of the fastest and strongest at senior level, but more is required there and we lack often lack the technique and more crucially organisation of the top tier sides, in addition to the issues previously stated. This is just my opinion though, anyone with knowledge on the matter can form their own.

 

surely it's just a physical development thing to some degree, big enough to push people around whenn they're kids but not later on

[Ketsbaia]

Makes sense how Lookman, Ojo, Solanke etc helped England win the U20 Wprld Cup......

[Sho Time]

England are fairly decent at youth level and totally appalling at senior level/international tournaments.

 

Maybe Gary Cahill is really 72.

 

If you ignore the U20 WC win, we really haven't been any better at any level, tbh.

[Interpolic]

Amazing signing the team that finishes above man u will win the title

 

I can't shake the feeling that I heard this last year.

 

One of the teams that finishes above Man Utd will win the title.