Jack Colback (now a free agent)

[triggs]

Somebody learn how to quote

[Altamullan]

[quote author=Kid Icarus link=topic=95326.msg5843930#msg5843930 date=1453042986

 

I'm saying that the fans of a football team are in the best position to view things objectively, yeah. We only see what matters, aren't as clouded with unimportant factors, watch our team more than most and have no reason to want anything other than the best for the club.

 

My rant regarding Colback's intentions don't really matter. They're merely my perception of him based on the way that he plays. What drives it is neither here nor there if he's not good enough either way, it's merely another stick to hit a player with who is imo of no value to the team. To me he's either a cowardly footballer or an unintelligent, untalented one. Either way, I can't stand him.

 

Don't think 'fanatics' are well placed to view things objectively, it means to much too us. And as previously  commented on we/people can and do see things differently, whether fans or not. Also, there are many who, on the assumption that it is for the greater good, don't want the best for the club; at least not at present. We probably don't disagree that much re his value to the team at the mo but your rant about his intentions matters to me Kid, and I suspect to others. It's good to have a place to share our frustrations about players of the fickle finger of fate or whatever. Don't think you do yourself justice by expressing fixed views about something you can't know about, and reads as an opportunity to pelt somebody, basically bully someone you can't stand.

You can't know either way, that's just how I see it in his case. I think you've made your points well but the bit about bullying him is very far-fetched. I can't stand him as a player and do think that he's a coward. I express that on a forum and back it up with examples that I think back it up, but I'm not screaming at him from the terraces, tweeting him directly or being slanderous. I'm criticising his professionalism as I see it and putting forward the reason why he gets away with it as being because he plays the 'didn't do anything wrong' game deliberately.

 

I'm not claiming to know, gave up on my Derren Brown aspirations sometime ago, and not denying your right to an opinion. Just saying, same as 14 posts ago, that your opinions about his intentions seem a bit paranoid and deliberate, as you reiterate above. Fair point though, stick and stones versus words is 'to the power of ten' if the words aren't even heard/are totally irrelevant.

[TRon]

[quote author=Kid Icarus link=topic=95326.msg5843930#msg5843930 date=1453042986

 

I'm saying that the fans of a football team are in the best position to view things objectively, yeah. We only see what matters, aren't as clouded with unimportant factors, watch our team more than most and have no reason to want anything other than the best for the club.

 

My rant regarding Colback's intentions don't really matter. They're merely my perception of him based on the way that he plays. What drives it is neither here nor there if he's not good enough either way, it's merely another stick to hit a player with who is imo of no value to the team. To me he's either a cowardly footballer or an unintelligent, untalented one. Either way, I can't stand him.

 

Don't think 'fanatics' are well placed to view things objectively, it means to much too us. And as previously  commented on we/people can and do see things differently, whether fans or not. Also, there are many who, on the assumption that it is for the greater good, don't want the best for the club; at least not at present. We probably don't disagree that much re his value to the team at the mo but your rant about his intentions matters to me Kid, and I suspect to others. It's good to have a place to share our frustrations about players of the fickle finger of fate or whatever. Don't think you do yourself justice by expressing fixed views about something you can't know about, and reads as an opportunity to pelt somebody, basically bully someone you can't stand.

You can't know either way, that's just how I see it in his case. I think you've made your points well but the bit about bullying him is very far-fetched. I can't stand him as a player and do think that he's a coward. I express that on a forum and back it up with examples that I think back it up, but I'm not screaming at him from the terraces, tweeting him directly or being slanderous. I'm criticising his professionalism as I see it and putting forward the reason why he gets away with it as being because he plays the 'didn't do anything wrong' game deliberately.

 

I'm not claiming to know, gave up on my Derren Brown aspirations sometime ago, and not denying your right to an opinion. Just saying, same as 14 posts ago, that your opinions about his intentions seem a bit paranoid and deliberate, as you reiterate above. Fair point though, stick and stones versus words is 'to the power of ten' if the words aren't even heard/are totally irrelevant.

 

 

KI has given his reasoning why he doesn't rate Colback pretty clearly, don't see what's paranoid about it. Maybe you could counter that with what you think he brings to the table. I'm struggling to think of a position for him where he wouldn't be a liability long term. As for his England call up I said then that I couldn't see him getting another one once Hodgson had a decent look at his lack of mobility. He's never been picked since.

[Darth Crooks]

England is mental talk. Whether you rate him to any degree or not at all it would suggest the current England crop is puss poor.

[Altamullan]

TRon, read first bit of #7107. It's not so much about making a case for what he brings as about not talking shite about the reasons for his lack of impact.

[TRon]

TRon, read first bit of #7107. It's not so much about making a case for what he brings as about not talking shite about the reasons for his lack of impact.

 

I read it but it just seems to be a general complaint about other people's low opinion of Colback. That's why I think it would be more useful if you could tell us your opinion (not managers, coaches or ex-players) on what he brings to the table.

[xLiaaamx]

He has next to nothing that sets him apart from the kind of dross we saw in CM when we were in the Championship half a decade ago

Butt, Smith, Geremi, Guthrie, Barton and Nolan all had more about them then Colback does

[Hanshithispantz]

Which managers are apparently seeing something in Colback anyway? Alan Pardew got him in on a free because Sam Allardyce was the only other fool interested.

 

He's capable of playing the ball forwards but he refuses to, maybe he'll change if his place in the side is threatened but it's definitely a physiological issue with him, whether or not it's as sinister as KI is suggesting (I think it is, just look at his pathetic dives to get him out of taking responsibility the past week).

[Hanshithispantz]

It's becoming increasingly more likely that Pardew only brought him in as a final fuck you as well, and that the contract rumours are true. McClaren has even started subbing him in games/moving him out of the centre.

[triggs]

He's a coward but he isn't that shit a footballer. Has a good touch and a decent pass on him but just takes the easy option every time. Was decent yesterday while in midfield IMO

[xLiaaamx]

He's a coward but he isn't that s*** a footballer. Has a good touch and a decent pass on him but just takes the easy option every time. Was decent yesterday while in midfield IMO

From my point of view that makes it worse. he could be an okay player if grew a pair of balls

[Dokko]

He's a coward but he isn't that s*** a footballer. Has a good touch and a decent pass on him but just takes the easy option every time. Was decent yesterday while in midfield IMO

From my point of view that makes it worse. he could be an okay player if grew a pair of balls

 

He's spent his whole life playing it safe (after being coached and trained to do so) it's ingrained in him, no chance he'll change now.

[Altamullan]

That would pretty much be my take on him too. With a bit more self-belief and aggression he would be a much better player. Even if this happened, through competition, coaching, maturity or whatever, he is never going to be the kind of box to box combative player or playmaker needed at the heart of the team.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Managers picking players is a rubbish defence, considering plenty of crap players have racked up lots of appearances over the years, as a Newcastle fan the obvious one being Shola

[Geordie Ahmed]

Also Anichebe is still getting games and he is shit

[bulivye]

i wonder how he'd do in the MLS?

[Mattoon]

What the fuck is wrong with our supporters??

 

Lee - I think that our strikers will do the job, know that we are given them better service. A good right wing would help as we need better crosses into the box. Aarons might be worth a go or we could buy a decent lad with loads of pace.

 

+ I would buy a good winger not another striker.

+ I would keep Colback in midfield if Dummett is fit for the next game. Drop Sissoko and keep Colback on the right handside. Sissoko in not upto it, sell him before the other teams discover that he is of little value.

+ Coloccini has played well in recent weeks and he is well worth his place in the team. I would however buy a good central defender next summer.

+ Elliot is doing a grand job, but if he gets injured we are in trouble, because Darlow is a panick merchant.

+ Mitrovic is doing ok and he is doing a good job. The goals will come, especially if we buy a good right winger. He is not the finished article yet, but in the future he will be top class. More pace and better control required.

 

The two new lads have made a big difference already. The have given us more possession and much better control. They will get better if we improve our right flank, which is still a big weakness.

 

From the comment section of the Chronic.

[themanupstairs]

Colback on the right? Aye

[nemtizz]

Where's that shite from?

[Mattoon]

Colback on the right? Aye

 

Too much to even reply to that, couldn't see the keys from all the vomit.

[Mattoon]

Where's that shite from?

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-aim-tie-up-striker-10746808

[Nattfare]

What the f*** is wrong with our supporters??

 

Lee - I think that our strikers will do the job, know that we are given them better service. A good right wing would help as we need better crosses into the box. Aarons might be worth a go or we could buy a decent lad with loads of pace.

 

+ I would buy a good winger not another striker.

+ I would keep Colback in midfield if Dummett is fit for the next game. Drop Sissoko and keep Colback on the right handside. Sissoko in not upto it, sell him before the other teams discover that he is of little value.

+ Coloccini has played well in recent weeks and he is well worth his place in the team. I would however buy a good central defender next summer.

+ Elliot is doing a grand job, but if he gets injured we are in trouble, because Darlow is a panick merchant.

+ Mitrovic is doing ok and he is doing a good job. The goals will come, especially if we buy a good right winger. He is not the finished article yet, but in the future he will be top class. More pace and better control required.

 

The two new lads have made a big difference already. The have given us more possession and much better control. They will get better if we improve our right flank, which is still a big weakness.

 

From the comment section of the Chronic.

 

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[Scotty66]

Guarantee that "fan" would have been more than happy if Pards signed a new 20 year contract instead of walking away.

[mrmojorisin75]

talking about Shelvey: “The speed of his passes gives you that extra two seconds and defences can’t recover,” McClaren said. “That’s the difference between top midfielders and average ones."

 

Colback isn't even average by this definition

 

one thing i'd say about that quiet debut by Saivet was that a couple of times he got on the ball and played a ball through the middle quickly to the feet of Wijnaldum and/or Perez so hopefully if Colback has to play LB he won't recover his place by the time Dummett is fit

[Lush Vlad]

The bit where he got totally outmuscled and then just started crawling about, looking at the lino to help him out and give a free kick.  They then got a cross in and could have scored.

 

That's right Colback.  Crawl about on the floor, like the dog that you are.  You pathetic little Red Setter.