The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Didn't the old WBA manager come in without his staff - then he was sacked in the summer anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Didn't Carver at some point say that he was willing to stay and work with a new manager? Carver would be willing to lick his shoes if it meant he had a job. Would love to see him thrown out on his arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Just use part of the f***ing 3.5 million we got for cuntybollocks to 'pay off' the Lyon coaching staff (even if it's only to secure their release in the summer). Get Garde in now, let him assess the squad and work with maybe Colo or Sissoko as senior pro to help facilitate this. oh and just... Kill/bin/torture/send out of the atmosphere/assfuck with a 12" stap on dildo, f***ing Carver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 We got one of the biggest compensation fee's (reportedly) for getting rid of that grey haired prick of all time for a manager. Doesn't matter how big compensation would be to bring in Garde, his coaches, get rid of Stone/Charver/Woodman, it wouldn't be more than the money we got for Pardew fucking off I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 There may have a dilemma if there are potentially better coaches who have expressed an interest but who won't be available until the end of the season. It seems to be accepted that Garde would like the job but we don't know whether he would want to start immediately or wait until the Summer. Do they wait for someone who may end up getting a better offer thinking they have Garde as Plan B? If they do that, will Garde then decide to pursue other options rather than wait. The ideal scenario would be for the new guy to come in now and get to know the squad so he is ready for the next season. And although the club say the new guy will only be responsible for coaching the team, there must be loads of other stuff the Head Coach would have to be involved in such as planning for pre-season. Also even though they say the coach will not have any involvement in transfers, I cannot believe that the board will not seek some input from the coach because it is not as if they are at the training ground every day monitoring player's development and being able to judge (other than if a ridiculous offer was received) when it is the right time to move them on. And should they even be seriously considering appointing Carver in that role, then I hope they look back at how often caretaker managers (regardless of how good a coach they are e.g. Brian Kidd) end up failing after an initial good run. We only need to look back at Glenn Roeder to see that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Also if Garde is to bring his own staff - now or at the end of the season it means Carver is getting the chop. Garde is unlikely to want to work for the the remaining 17 games with a second in command who knows he is being sacked. So the only reasonable scenario is either - getting his old staff now and getting shot of Carver and Co. or waiting until the end of the season. Yep. For me it's a matter of eliminating the unfeasible and seeing what's left. I don't think we'd be able to get Lyon's backroom staff now, and as you say, Garde attempting to work with coaching staff who would basically be dead men walking would be very difficult. There's a possibility that the club are still looking for another option ie a manager who would be prepared to come in now and work with the current staff, at least until he'd be able to assess whether or not that was working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Also if Garde is to bring his own staff - now or at the end of the season it means Carver is getting the chop. Garde is unlikely to want to work for the the remaining 17 games with a second in command who knows he is being sacked. So the only reasonable scenario is either - getting his old staff now and getting shot of Carver and Co. or waiting until the end of the season. My guess is the hold up is because we are haggling over Carver's release and the cost of getting Garde's staff. This is a good point actually. It would obviously be a pretty awkward and uncomfortable atmosphere for Garde to be working with coaches and staff who know they are getting the sack in a few months. It is a good point, but I would be very surprised if we're that far down the line. I would suggest we're still trying to work out the cost implications of the various scenarios. I guess they will then go to Ashley with them. This is assuming Garde even wants the job and we want him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Just use part of the f***ing 3.5 million we got for cuntybollocks to 'pay off' the Lyon coaching staff (even if it's only to secure their release in the summer). Get Garde in now, let him assess the squad and work with maybe Colo or Sissoko as senior pro to help facilitate this. oh and just... Kill/bin/torture/send out of the atmosphere/assfuck with a 12" stap on dildo, f***ing Carver It really is that easy. People seem to think we are poor, but we just got a huge payout for the fuckwitt along with the ridiculous levels of profit we've made over the last year or two. Money speaks, I don't care what walk of life you are in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 My big hope in this is that Graham Carr is involved in the process. He seems to pull the strings football wise and its obvious that Ashley trusts him to earn him some money in buying in scouted talent on the cheap. If he wants to appoint someone like Garde, I'm guessing he'll have sold it to Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Money may speak but if the coaches at Lyon think they can win something this season then it will be more difficult to get them to join now. If I was them I'd certainly be looking to join in the summer instead. If Lyon weren't within a good chance of winning something then I'm sure they would be more willing to come now or would actively be looking to come now. In all honesty if I was Garde I'd come now on the condition that the coaches from Lyon came at the end of the season. Myself personally I could deal with Carver for a few months and try to install my way into them. Having Carver and Stone about could prove useful in order to hand over bits of information about players to Garde in the meantime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Exactly.. Garde would have the rest of the season to settle in and use our current coaches to learn about the club, area, players etc, while also being relatively untouchable in terms of accountability for results and performances til the end of the season. No brained to start early and use this as a test run and get his feet under the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The absolute worst scenario is that Carver is kept on as manager in any capacity and for any length of time whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Another potential hold up is Carver, Stone and Woodman surely. Aren't they contracted until 2020? I know they won't be on big money, but Ashley won't want to pay them off the proper amount. Assuming there is no clause or compensation agreed within the deal of course. We need to start afresh. Get rid of all remaining traces of Pardew. Bar the players of course. Although Pardew's faves like Gouffran and Obertan can join him at Palace mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Is there any other club that would go three weeks without a manager and not say a single thing to their fans ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 well I was very hopeful/optimistic about the new 'head coach' but have suddenly come back down to earth with a bang, It's my feeling we have all been well and truly duped, even ourselves, the most sceptical of this bunch of cunts. I think the bishop has been working overtime dropping these names out there to keep people quiet and sitting patiently on the back burner, we all know what these international breaks mean to NUFC, we will get no one in, nor do i think we have been looking, I think garde has been used as a cunning decoy (totally unawares himself) just playing fo time to make it look like we were going to appoint someone decent, when in fact either carver or some other moron is going to get the job, just in time for there to be no players brought in, one sold and a donkey of a coach appointed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Everything still points to Garde. No legitimate information has emerged to contradict any of the basic issues out there -- we want a European setup, looking for a head coach, want to find someone to maximise younger players, connection to France, etc. There's a lot of nonsense out there because there is a vacuum of actual information, and media, like nature, abhors a vacuum. So they fill it with tripe because they have to fill it with something. Virtually all of it is to be ignored. The club has made it abundantly clear over the last few seasons they don't work on any kind of timetable. They take pleasure in hanging media -- and supporters -- out to dry. So this is nothing new for them. In fact, I'm quite sure they would have certainly written off Chelsea away and probably Southampton, too, so they'll be perfectly content to let it twist until the break. I still think it's Garde, probably with confirmation early next week. Certainly hope so anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Cardew is such an irritant. Must be swept away if a new coach comes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 ........and that's only half the fear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Very reasonable post Memphis, just can't help the fear. I feel like a child laying in bed in the dark, trying to repeat to myself that there's no way there are monsters under the bed, all the while being unable to sleep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 well I was very hopeful/optimistic about the new 'head coach' but have suddenly come back down to earth with a bang, It's my feeling we have all been well and truly duped, even ourselves, the most sceptical of this bunch of c***s. I think the bishop has been working overtime dropping these names out there to keep people quiet and sitting patiently on the back burner, we all know what these international breaks mean to NUFC, we will get no one in, nor do i think we have been looking, I think garde has been used as a cunning decoy (totally unawares himself) just playing fo time to make it look like we were going to appoint someone decent, when in fact either carver or some other moron is going to get the job, just in time for there to be no players brought in, one sold and a donkey of a coach appointed The only positive element i keep clinging to in this whole situation is the fact that Charnley and Carr seem to have been put in charge of the recruitment process. Carr is far too well-conected and informed to recommend Carver as manager and I doubt Charnely will be keen on that angle either. If you were Carr would you really want a knacker like Carver in charge of the quality players you consistently bring to the club? If you were Charnely wouldn't you want to justify your surprise appointment as MD by nailing your first managerial appointment? The only possible scenarios I can see that would lead to Carver being named manager are a) if Mike Ashley decides to go against the recommendations of Carr and Charnley and appoints Carver himself, b) they decide to leave Carver in charge until the summer when we will have a bigger pool of options to choose from or c) the whole Carr/Charnley thing is a facade and Mike is going to pick a name out of the has-been hat again. Given how the relegation season panned out, I doubt Ashley would risk any of the above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Didn't Pardew come in without his own team except for Woodman? And Pulis also work with existing or new team at Palace and now WBA? Not that these are the best examples ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Didn't Pardew come in without his own team except for Woodman? And Pulis also work with existing or new team at Palace and now WBA? Not that these are the best examples ... Think we're all just hoping for a more professional setup this time around. If they employ someone like Garde I can't imagine they would come in and want to work with Carver and Stone et al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Carver's gonna get the gig, fellas. That's what I believe now. Possibly until the summer when Ashley will hopefully try to sell up. Any reason they haven't given it to him already though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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