Collage Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm as anti Ashley as anyone, but I really don't see what wanting relegation is going to get us. He's already stuck with us going down once before so what's going to be different this time. Plus the only realistic chance of getting rid of him is if a wealthy investor comes in and offers him plenty of money, which is surely less likely for a club not in the Premiership? I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm as anti Ashley as anyone, but I really don't see what wanting relegation is going to get us. He's already stuck with us going down once before so what's going to be different this time. Plus the only realistic chance of getting rid of him is if a wealthy investor comes in and offers him plenty of money, which is surely less likely for a club not in the Premiership? I think it's less to do with Ashley going and more to do with the financial punishment he deserves watching his investment burn. If we went into free fall I think most would still be here to support the team no matter what league we were in. Ashley would eventually have to sell if we were out of sight of the Premier. But aye, it'd be much easier if someone came in and bought us as a Premiership outfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Ashley has no interest what so ever in the city of Newcastle and only a financial interest in Newcastle united. I could honestly punch Charnley in his smug f***ing face every time I see him and Carver has me more angry every time he speaks than I was with Pardew. If relegation gets rid of these horrible people then I'm all for it however I don't think it will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Relegation would be worse for the fans than it would be for Mike Ashley. Nufc is worth less than 10% of Mike Ashley's total worth. He'd probably be mildly annoyed if Nufc got relegated. It's all so needless. If he put a little effort in like paying for a good manager, qualified coaching staff and players he could have Nufc perform reasonably well within the break even budget. The £3m he sold Santon for is chicken feed to him. He recklessly endangers the club's Premiership status for relatively low sums of money. He likes to gamble but unfortunately for us his gambles are based on what is the least he can spend and still get away with. If we get relegated our squad for the Championship (before any purchases) would be more or less the same as the current squad minus Krul, Janmaat, Cisse, Sissoko, Tiote, De Jong and one or two others. We'll end up keeping all the players we want rid of and losing the few good players we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Relegation would be worse for the fans than it would be for Mike Ashley. Nufc is worth less than 10% of Mike Ashley's total worth. He'd probably be mildly annoyed if Nufc got relegated. It's all so needless. If he put a little effort in like paying for a good manager, qualified coaching staff and players he could have Nufc perform reasonably well within the break even budget. The £3m he sold Santon for is chicken feed to him. He recklessly endangers the club's Premiership status for relatively low sums of money. He likes to gamble but unfortunately for us his gambles are based on what is the least he can spend and still get away with. If we get relegated our squad for the Championship (before any purchases) would be more or less the same as the current squad minus Krul, Janmaat, Cisse, Sissoko, Tiote, De Jong and one or two others. We'll end up keeping all the players we want rid of and losing the few good players we have. So what do we do? Just sit here and watch while Ashley milks the club for all it's worth while watching turgid, non-competitive 'football' on the pitch? No ta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 You think I'd be bothered with relegation? Not any more in may provide competition as they try to actually challenge for something. At worst we fall like a stone and it gets shot of Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 You think I'd be bothered with relegation? Not any more in may provide competition as they try to actually challenge for something. At worst we fall like a stone and it gets shot of Ashley. Remember ashley will lose his ability to advertise Sports Direct if we are not in the PL which will be his biggest issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 10% of his wealth? Maybe, but how much of his other 90% wealth is due to the free worldwide advertising he gets on prime time television? That won't happen in the Championship and that WILL hurt him by proxy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I hope this channel 4 documentary tomorrow rips him to shreads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think Ashley could be approaching his end game i.e. strip the club including the first team to the absolute bare bones, rin it into the ground and then fuck off. He has history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/11563435/How-fair-does-Sports-Direct-play.html Dispatches 8pm tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think relegation would be a disaster for NUFC but not for Ashley. It would just be an irritation for him but whether it would push him into selling depends on what his intentions are and as ever, no-one has any idea about that and probably no-one at the club does either. I just cannot imagine what kind of team we would be able to put out next season as the best players would leave and if the ones we want to leave end up staying then I can't see us coming back up. To have the right mentality for that league, they would have to look at British players and I can imagine clubs would hike their prices up for such players where we are concerned because everyone knows we have money in the bank. The parachute payment would keep them going for a while but season ticket cancellations and a significant fall in attendances would certainly have more of a financial impact than in the Premier League and I do not expect they would get the same kind of attendances as they did when we were last relegated. It could take years to recover but at a time when everyone else is moving further ahead, would we ever get back to where we were even a couple of years ago? I lurch between wanting relegation and fearing it. For Ashley, any losses are a drop in the ocean for him and as there is no emotional attachment to the club, if he decides to go, he won't care what he has left behind. One thing is for certain, if it happens, I won't be upset like last time. It will be down to the incompetence and arrogance of those running the club and it will serve themselves right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think Ashley could be approaching his end game i.e. strip the club including the first team to the absolute bare bones, rin it into the ground and then f*** off. He has history. I have always thought that. The club is a shadow of what it was when he bought it. He's sold off what he can and every area of the club is seriously under-resourced. The only value the club seems to have now is the potential TV earnings. He could also screw us on the commercial side depending on his conditions for a sale. People talk about new owners having to invest in the squad but they will have to invest in the club's entire infrastructure as the current operation is barely holding together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'd rather be in a lower league trying to win something than in the 'best league in the world' as a zombie club only interested in suckling at Skys tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think Ashley could be approaching his end game i.e. strip the club including the first team to the absolute bare bones, rin it into the ground and then f*** off. He has history. I have always thought that. The club is a shadow of what it was when he bought it. He's sold off what he can and every area of the club is seriously under-resourced. The only value the club seems to have now is the potential TV earnings. He could also screw us on the commercial side depending on his conditions for a sale. People talk about new owners having to invest in the squad but they will have to invest in the club's entire infrastructure as the current operation is barely holding together. The one thing about him selling the club that bothers me is how deep his grubby little fingers go, it's not just a basic flat rate buys your the club and the debt you have to consider how much of the commercial side of it is his, how much he has outsourced to his own companies and how any new owners would go about getting all that back to rebuild the entire shitheap. No one in their right mind would buy a club with Ashley still making money from shirt sales and advertising revenue. How much will all that cost?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'd rather be in a lower league trying to win something than in the 'best league in the world' as a zombie club only interested in suckling at Skys tit. don't like this zombie club reference that seems to be catching on we're in a self-induced coma to allow a parasite to feed on us, granted it's not quite as catchy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm as anti Ashley as anyone, but I really don't see what wanting relegation is going to get us. He's already stuck with us going down once before so what's going to be different this time. Plus the only realistic chance of getting rid of him is if a wealthy investor comes in and offers him plenty of money, which is surely less likely for a club not in the Premiership? I agree. I want to go down to League 2 though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think relegation would be a disaster for NUFC but not for Ashley. It would just be an irritation for him but whether it would push him into selling depends on what his intentions are and as ever, no-one has any idea about that and probably no-one at the club does either. I just cannot imagine what kind of team we would be able to put out next season as the best players would leave and if the ones we want to leave end up staying then I can't see us coming back up. To have the right mentality for that league, they would have to look at British players and I can imagine clubs would hike their prices up for such players where we are concerned because everyone knows we have money in the bank. The parachute payment would keep them going for a while but season ticket cancellations and a significant fall in attendances would certainly have more of a financial impact than in the Premier League and I do not expect they would get the same kind of attendances as they did when we were last relegated. It could take years to recover but at a time when everyone else is moving further ahead, would we ever get back to where we were even a couple of years ago? I lurch between wanting relegation and fearing it. For Ashley, any losses are a drop in the ocean for him and as there is no emotional attachment to the club, if he decides to go, he won't care what he has left behind. One thing is for certain, if it happens, I won't be upset like last time. It will be down to the incompetence and arrogance of those running the club and it will serve themselves right. The club may suffer for a long time but quite honestly I'm so disillusioned with footy at the moment I couldn't care less. What's the point in being in the premier league anyway? Unless you're owned by a billionaire who is going to splash the cash the chances of getting even a champion league place are virtually nil. Everyone else just picks up the pieces and prays for a cup upset, not the existence I could tolerate for much longer. If you go down at least you could have a club for the fans once he's left. A team that cares and the ups and downs that go with it, not knowing what the season will bring and meeting some decent clubs and people along the way. Look at FC Manchester for example, that's what I could get behind - a club run be fans for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 But you'd be in a league where the only aim is to get into another league that you don't want to be in anyway. As shallow as the Premier League has become I'd still rather be there than in the Championship, all we really want is rid of Ashley. The only question is does being out of the Premier League get rid of Ashley?, I'm not confident it would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 But you'd be in a league where the only aim is to get into another league that you don't want to be in anyway. As shallow as the Premier League has become I'd still rather be there than in the Championship, all we really want is rid of Ashley. The only question is does being out of the Premier League get rid of Ashley?, I'm not confident it would. going down should be the last resort as at least if you're in it and trying to compete you have a theoretical advantage over 72 other clubs to be able to try and win a cup, something we should never turn our nose up at I reckon going down somehow feels like the best thing for the club in its present state mind, it need decimating and rebuilding regardless of the division Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCDoog Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Its just shit in general. As has been said above, what is the actual point of being in the premier league? Unless you have shit loads of money there isnt. Swansea have had there best season ever, yet where they going to finish, 8th? What does that really mean? Theyre not gonna remember it in 10 years, theyre not going to push on and get in the top 4 because they dont have the money, so what will the aim be next season? Finish 8th again. Football and especially the premier league is just so shit now. Theres only about 4 clubs that can realistically win the league, and even thats a stretch, only about 5 clubs who can realistically challenege for the champions league, the rest just hope not to get relegated. Even the Championship, yeah its amazing to come into the Prem, but then they get there and its shit and they realise sky have ruined footbal and arent that bothered about going down again. I might just start following non league, a team who has no chance of getting to the prem but could go up a couple of divisions and just have some exciting seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Went to my second game of 2015 yesterday with one of my teenage kids. We picked up a couple of the Ashley out red cards and I put them in our shopping bag. At the entrance a steward asked to search my bag and pulled out the cards asking 'what are these?' I replied they were my personal property and snatched them back. As I entered the ground the steward was shouting 'Stop that man, don't let him in' etc but the steward on the gate just laughed and let me in. Wasn't sure whether they had the right to bar me or not. Anyone know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 On what grounds could they bar you? Other than their probable right to not have to give any reason at all. Load of bollocks man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Went to my second game of 2015 yesterday with one of my teenage kids. We picked up a couple of the Ashley out red cards and I put them in our shopping bag. At the entrance a steward asked to search my bag and pulled out the cards asking 'what are these?' I replied they were my personal property and snatched them back. As I entered the ground the steward was shouting 'Stop that man, don't let him in' etc but the steward on the gate just laughed and let me in. Wasn't sure whether they had the right to bar me or not. Anyone know? the fact they didn't stop you is your answer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 'Stop that man, don't let him in' What a bunch of arseholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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