jollof rice and pea Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Obviously there are many many problems with the England team, but I just think the continued shoe horning of Rooney into that team in a position that he hasn't ever played just epitomises everything wrong with the set up. We obviously have a long and glorious history of trying to fit players into a team even if it is totally inappropriate, but the Rooney decision even surpasses the Scholes on the wing and Lampard/Gerrard crap. Seeing Rooney in midfield was like watching us with Shelvey - everything has to go through him, no matter how much it slows our game down. Was analysing some of his passes last night and he seemed intent on playing those kind of slow sweeping passes (not even Gerrard Hollywood balls) that might get a ripple of applause for 'spreading the play' but in reality reach their target so slowly all options close off and/or are usually hit so poorly that the recipient of the pass has to stop to get the ball. He is not a f***ing midfielder and never will be. He think's he's recreating Scholes by hitting that one pass out to Walker over and over and yet he's embarrassing himself and doing Scholes' brilliance a massive disservice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/england-vs-iceland-reaction-too-rich-too-famous-too-much-ego-joe-hart-epitomises-everything-that-is-a7106591.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Do international managers really require that much experience to succeed? Chris Coleman is in a quarter-final. Bilic had no experience taking on the Croatia job. Klinsmann did ok with zero experience. Low's club record is pretty shit. Would any manager at the tournament outside of Conte get a top club job? A collapse of that proportion - and the record of the last decade - cannot come down to just tactics or squad selection. There's something very broken in how the English approach tournaments and their international football in general. Not convinced that there was a formation or gameplan that could have coaxed a good performance out of 11 players that froze like children with stage fright. They don't need much experience. It's a totally different thing from managing an actual club where coaching and developing tactics/players is crucial. International management is about tactics, knowing your opposition, having a plan to beat them and then picking the best 11 to fit that plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 There's issues with the mentality for sure; but those issues are not the fundamental reason for why we're no longer in the competition. We ranged from unconvincing to woeful because Hodgson's squad selection didn't offer any dynamism or variety, he couldn't make his mind up with the starting line-up and his subs (in the two most incriminating matches) were abysmal. There aren't any bad teams in the quarter-finals. People speak of how poor the standard has been and initially I agreed. But this tournament is an example of the opposite imo. Teams like Iceland have improved massively and are, at the very least, rigidly organised and have a modicum of cutting edge. If there are any examples of the standards dropping, it's from the more fancied teams - who've kinda been forced to level-out in the face of effective spoiler tactics from so many sides. Point is, they're not part-timers, we've lost to a decent side. They don't play good football by any stretch, but they pick their sides well and play to their strengths. We haven't lost to a Luxembourg or even an Albania. Nevertheless, it's a decent side we should still be beating, with room to spare. And had the aforementioned managerial mishaps not happened we would have won. Because of that, defeat is still ignominious and he's right to have chucked the towel in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Don't know if any of you listen to Second Captains but there assassination of Rooney in their latest podcast was hilarious and spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not sure the Wales players celebrating our exit like they'd just won the thing is that clever. Roy's press conference was great, he genuinely looks like he's been done over badly by all of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Jim WhiteVerified account @JimWhite I understand Harry Redknapp would welcome the opportunity to speak to the FA and would partner up with Glenn Hoddle #ENG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 one of the iclandic players just mentioned the fact he overheard Harry Kane asking the ref if england would be out if they lost this match. this wasas they were leaving the tunnel for the start of second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 come on man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 He looks dopey but no way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 it was Kari Arnason - he now seems to be denying he made those comments so may have been a set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Icelandic commentator after the final whistle: "Boo all you want England! We're going to face France! The dream continues! You've left Europe! You've left Europe! Go wherever the hell you want! We're going to Paris!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Icelandic commentator after the final whistle: "Boo all you want England! We're going to face France! The dream continues! You've left Europe! You've left Europe! Go wherever the hell you want! We're going to Paris!" Is that a political reference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Icelandic commentator after the final whistle: "Boo all you want England! We're going to face France! The dream continues! You've left Europe! You've left Europe! Go wherever the hell you want! We're going to Paris!" Is that a political reference? Duh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Sounds worse than Tyldesley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Icelandic commentator after the final whistle: "Boo all you want England! We're going to face France! The dream continues! You've left Europe! You've left Europe! Go wherever the hell you want! We're going to Paris!" Is that a political reference? Duh. Why's he joining the bandwagon? Last time I checked Iceland weren't even in the EU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Icelandic commentator after the final whistle: "Boo all you want England! We're going to face France! The dream continues! You've left Europe! You've left Europe! Go wherever the hell you want! We're going to Paris!" Is that a political reference? Duh. Why's he joining the bandwagon? Last time I checked Iceland weren't even in the EU We're all afraid you guys are gonna come fuck up the EEA. We're not fans of yours anymore (We = EEA countries) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 https://youtu.be/mU_qMiZSMsA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Guus Hiddink for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 He was dreadful for Holland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 He was dreadful for Holland. I think that is being polite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Of course England's repeated failures are down to bad coaching. Just look at the "talent" pool of English managers. Who is the last English world class manager? Clough? The last Englishman to win the league was Kendall in 1989 ffs and really there haven't been many that have come close to it in the last 20 years or so. Also, not only have English clubs largely failed to develop local youngsters, they've also failed to develop foreign young players that arrive in England. Supposedly they don't make the grade in the PL yet they are able to develop into top class players abroad. Gerard Piqué, Paul Pogba, Jerome Boateng just to name a few from the top of my head. There is something terribly wrong with English coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Should go out and get Bielsa tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Should go out and get Bielsa tbh. What I meant was, y'all should really steal Klinsmann from us. We'd be devastated, honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Kane taking corners. Kane taking every free kick. Wiltshire playing. Sterling playing. Lallana dropped. Vardy not being utilised. Hart not being dropped. All the changes v Slovakia. Rashford sub coming far too late. All awful decisions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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