Leazes_End_Mag Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Mbemba's been unlucky like. Had that stinker v Wolves and hasn't had a look in. I've personally been unconvinced by Lascelles this season. He's been an ok 6-7 out of 10 most games but I don't have the same faith as others in him. I'd like to see Clark & Mbemba for a run of games but Lascelles seems untouchable. Agree with this, although I wouldn't be against Hanley getting a run of games alongside Clark if Mbemba does leave. Not quite sure what it is but Lascelles isn't a player I have full trust in and he's not been convincing for a while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I'm surprised lascelles has had so many detractors lately. It's the first time in as long as I can remember where we've had an actual working centre back partnership. Clark has been far better than the majority of us were expecting but Lascelles does the ugly stuff very well. He's also a vocal captain which seems so odd given the white flag wavers we've had as captain in recent seasons. On topic I think it's a no brainer Mbemba for Townsend on loan. We've got ample cover at centre back and I can't see him getting a look in unless there's an injury crisis. I'm not sure how a deal like that could be done given he's away at the afcon though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I'm surprised lascelles has had so many detractors lately. It's the first time in as long as I can remember where we've had an actual working centre back partnership. Clark has been far better than the majority of us were expecting but Lascelles does the ugly stuff very well. He's also a vocal captain which seems so odd given the white flag wavers we've had as captain in recent seasons. On topic I think it's a no brainer Mbemba for Townsend on loan. We've got ample cover at centre back and I can't see him getting a look in unless there's an injury crisis. I'm not sure how a deal like that could be done given he's away at the afcon though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 is this still bumbling along? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I think Lascelles is a class defender in the making tbh. He looks like he could go a couple rounds with Anthony Joshua as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Wouldn't get a look in if his name was John Lassells. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Lascelles, Clark, Hanley, Dummett, Gamez and Hayden is more than enough to cover at centre half for four month or whatever. Well worth the risk to get Townsend back and ultimately secure our promotion. I like Mbemba, he's just not being used enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Long as there's no obligations to buy, I'm happy to proceed with this. Makes sense for everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Man, we'd have to take that swap, but I really like Mbemba, and I hate the idea of fat Sam getting his grubby paws on him. As if Sam would play him I like Mbemba and think he's gotten a raw deal, but he's completely the opposite to what Allardyce looks for in a defender. He'll play him in midfield imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Sam would play him as a DM. I guarantee it. This is my fear. And you just know he'd be awesome there, and we'll all be p*ssed off about it. Sam has a history of this with both Abdoulaye Faye and Cheick Kouyate. You do realise this daft post implies Sam Allardyce is far more astute than Rafa Benitez? Hmmm ... I wouldn't say more astute. Just less adverse to putting players in positions they haven't necessarily featured much in previously. Don't think it's necessarily always a good thing either. He just tends to do it more. Even with Kirchoff last year, which worked out quite well, after he was tanking in central defence initially. The more cringe worthy examples of this kind of thing was him playing Samba upfront at times for aerial threat. I'm not holding it against Rafa for not giving it a go. Hey, he prefers to play individuals in positions they have mostly played previously, and that makes perfect sense. I just would hate to see Allardyce do it with Mbemba and have him shine in that position, only because I don't like to see fat Sam have success with anything. I want him to tank at everything, as that makes me very happy. Agree with this fully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Look, Mbemba was going to be off in the summer anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Long as there's no obligations to buy, I'm happy to proceed with this. Makes sense for everyone Especially if he has been following the ACON, which we know he has, because he's always looking for his next Samba, Kouyate, Kone, Abdoulaye Faye etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSC26 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If we had an obligation to buy Townsend, but they had no obligation to buy Mbemba, then I'd consider it. Problem is, if Clark or Lascelles gets injured we only have Hanley as cover. Then I suppose Dummett could also come in and we'd have Lazaar / Haidara. But for me, Mbemba is the much better centre half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Do people really think Rafa rates Mbemba? He has no future at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If we had an obligation to buy Townsend, but they had no obligation to buy Mbemba, then I'd consider it. Problem is, if Clark or Lascelles gets injured we only have Hanley as cover. Then I suppose Dummett could also come in and we'd have Lazaar / Haidara. But for me, Mbemba is the much better centre half. Dummett is much better as a CB than a LB imo. If we left ourselves short it is inevitable we'd have a defensive crisis. Happens virtually every season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Do people really think Rafa rates Mbemba? He has no future at the club. How's that? He got dropped after a shocker against Wolves and since then Clark/Lascelles have been a solid partnership. Daft changing a CB partnership that is working for the moment. I've no doubt if Clark/Lascelles had a few terrible performances in a row, Mbemba would be back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Do get the feeling Rafa doesn't rate him like. Shame because the Championship could have had a Coloccini like effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSC26 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 If we had an obligation to buy Townsend, but they had no obligation to buy Mbemba, then I'd consider it. Problem is, if Clark or Lascelles gets injured we only have Hanley as cover. Then I suppose Dummett could also come in and we'd have Lazaar / Haidara. But for me, Mbemba is the much better centre half. Dummett is much better as a CB than a LB imo. If we left ourselves short it is inevitable we'd have a defensive crisis. Happens virtually every season. Agree. Dummett isnt a left back at all for me, definitely a centre half. It seems to happen with centre backs and goalkeepers all the time with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Dummett's played about 3 games for us centre half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 For everyone that says people don't rate him just because he's not Ashley Cole or whatever attacking wise, you get the ones who say he's a centre-back and not a left-back, just because he's a crap attacking full-back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Wonder if Curtis Good is being included, with the view that Mbemba might be away. Rafa might want a closer look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Starting for Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Playing today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Sam would play him as a DM. I guarantee it. This is my fear. And you just know he'd be awesome there, and we'll all be pissed off about it. Sam has a history of this with both Abdoulaye Faye and Cheick Kouyate. Allardyce's expectations from a central midfielder are a lot different to Rafa's. Fat Sam basically just needs a physical tackler in there whereas Rafa would want a technically accomplished player in that position. I like Mbemba as a defender, but he's had enough bad games for me to understand why we would be prepared to let him go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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