TRon Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 About his family, I can't see them moving from the Wirral, them being "happy" there is all I keep hearing. But he cannit commute from Liverpool to Newcastle every day so how's that gonna work It beats commuting from Naples or Madrid I would imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Rafa Benitez, winner for Valencia, Liverpool, Inter Milan, Napoli and then manager of Real Madrid is Newcastle manager. What the fuck is going on? My heart is attempting to feel feelings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 When we signed Sissoko I remember how energised he was for the club. Burning Ashley Cole and scoring that winner against Chelsea were f***ing amazing moments and the fans loved him, serenading him with that song that didn't really make sense. Pardew specifically said he'd come in and was desperate to single-handedly drag the club up to where it 'belonged'. Compare that to how he plays now. That same process can be seen in all the other players that started off well and went downhill, the most obvious recent example being Wijnaldum. They were all sold a kipper and eventually it shows. Players being 'Pardewed' wasn't just his s**** coaching, it was also them realising the club wasn't going anywhere. They were almost certainly told they could get a bigger move by playing well (and some got it) but ultimately that losers mentality finds its way throughout the whole club and players end up having to perform better and better individually in a rubbish team to earn their move. I'm not saying they're blameless, certainly not. But after a while they all find out exactly what the fans knew, that the real aim was nothing more than to survive. Just look at their managers, what should the most important person at the club. Pardew, Carver, McClaren. Uninspiring dross, designed to do nothing but tread water and avoid European competition and silverware. There was no ambition at all, and any player's passion to do their best for the club disappears with that realisation. With Benitez we have a genuine chance to change all that. It's a fair point. Yes when we are paying good wages then players should always give 100%, but when you buy them under the premise we are only a stepping stone, then that's how they'll treat us. Benitez arriving should have sent shockwaves through this squad. especially the internationals, and if they aren't motivated to put everything on the line now, then they will rightly be shipped out. Already we are seeing supposedly injured players answering the call for training on their day off. The next few weeks will certainly tell us a lot about the players we have here. Rafa as manager changes EVERYTHING. Players are coming here to play for Rafa and not some failed patsy hack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Contrast this, "It's a massive club". Say it 5 times every interview you do in the first few days. with this, "We can't compete with the likes of Southampton". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 When we signed Sissoko I remember how energised he was for the club. Burning Ashley Cole and scoring that winner against Chelsea were f***ing amazing moments and the fans loved him, serenading him with that song that didn't really make sense. Pardew specifically said he'd come in and was desperate to single-handedly drag the club up to where it 'belonged'. Compare that to how he plays now. That same process can be seen in all the other players that started off well and went downhill, the most obvious recent example being Wijnaldum. They were all sold a kipper and eventually it shows. Players being 'Pardewed' wasn't just his s**** coaching, it was also them realising the club wasn't going anywhere. They were almost certainly told they could get a bigger move by playing well (and some got it) but ultimately that losers mentality finds its way throughout the whole club and players end up having to perform better and better individually in a rubbish team to earn their move. I'm not saying they're blameless, certainly not. But after a while they all find out exactly what the fans knew, that the real aim was nothing more than to survive. Just look at their managers, what should the most important person at the club. Pardew, Carver, McClaren. Uninspiring dross, designed to do nothing but tread water and avoid European competition and silverware. There was no ambition at all, and any player's passion to do their best for the club disappears with that realisation. With Benitez we have a genuine chance to change all that. re Sissoko, true to a point. He never recreated that energy form his debut, even weeks later he'd never come close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 When we signed Sissoko I remember how energised he was for the club. Burning Ashley Cole and scoring that winner against Chelsea were f***ing amazing moments and the fans loved him, serenading him with that song that didn't really make sense. Pardew specifically said he'd come in and was desperate to single-handedly drag the club up to where it 'belonged'. Compare that to how he plays now. That same process can be seen in all the other players that started off well and went downhill, the most obvious recent example being Wijnaldum. They were all sold a kipper and eventually it shows. Players being 'Pardewed' wasn't just his s**** coaching, it was also them realising the club wasn't going anywhere. They were almost certainly told they could get a bigger move by playing well (and some got it) but ultimately that losers mentality finds its way throughout the whole club and players end up having to perform better and better individually in a rubbish team to earn their move. I'm not saying they're blameless, certainly not. But after a while they all find out exactly what the fans knew, that the real aim was nothing more than to survive. Just look at their managers, what should the most important person at the club. Pardew, Carver, McClaren. Uninspiring dross, designed to do nothing but tread water and avoid European competition and silverware. There was no ambition at all, and any player's passion to do their best for the club disappears with that realisation. With Benitez we have a genuine chance to change all that. re Sissoko, true to a point. He never recreated that energy form his debut, even weeks later he'd never come close. Probably once that negativity set in of how we played and what our aims were it was hard to get back out of that mentality tbh. We'll have to wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Rafa Benitez, winner for Valencia, Liverpool, Inter Milan, Napoli and then manager of Real Madrid is Newcastle manager. What the f*** is going on? My heart is attempting to feel feelings. It's absolutely mental, man. I can't get my head around it. Apparently training has been absolutely fantastic and the the mood in the squad has improved beyond belief. The speed and the quality of the sessions so far is also apparently incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Whether we stay up or go down, if Rafa is still here then the squad still gets a major overhaul, if we go down we'll need one to get back up and another so he can really start his project. If we stay up I expect a lot of change and with Rafa here we should be a more attractive proposition. If we can now say we've got the manager, infrastructure, money, fans and ambition to compete we are going to in a far better place than saying come to Newcastle and if you can stay interested for a couple of years then we'll try and make a profit on you and find you a bigger, proper, club. We've had false dawns before but if Ashley has made this appointment and then fails to back it and reverts to type once the TV money is safe then there'll be open revolt, he'd have been better off keeping McClaren and hope for the best. Surely he's seen that his way doesn't work and that with a little bit of encouragement that the fans will unite behind the manager and a team that actually wants to compete. Given the fortune he has and the money the club brings in the finance needed is pretty small time for him. It's the hope that kills. It isn't the hope that kills it's having no hope that kills. Hope kills. Having no hope is being dead! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Rafa Benitez, winner for Valencia, Liverpool, Inter Milan, Napoli and then manager of Real Madrid is Newcastle manager. What the f*** is going on? My heart is attempting to feel feelings. It's absolutely mental, man. I can't get my head around it. Apparently training has been absolutely fantastic and the the mood in the squad has improved beyond belief. The speed and the quality of the sessions so far is also apparently incredible. How do you know ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I was reading earlier on here a post for an LFC fan and Benitez fan about how he sets his teams up etc and his 4-2-3-1. Very similar to what we've done all season but this is where managers get found out (or prove their worth). I want to see, if Mitrovic starts much better support, some playing the ball blind in behind the oppositions full backs from Mitrovic, much better organisation defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Rafa Benitez, winner for Valencia, Liverpool, Inter Milan, Napoli and then manager of Real Madrid is Newcastle manager. What the f*** is going on? My heart is attempting to feel feelings. It's absolutely mental, man. I can't get my head around it. Apparently training has been absolutely fantastic and the the mood in the squad has improved beyond belief. The speed and the quality of the sessions so far is also apparently incredible. How do you know ? #hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 The more I read and hear about Benitez, the more I'm convinced we've got the best man possible for the job. Our job is seen as a bit of a poisoned chalice by some and that's bullshit. Benitez clearly loves football so he shouldn't feel any pressure here as the job will not be a chore to him. The best managers we've had here have passionately loved football, it was their lives and they thrived on it and Rafa is the same. We've appointed a good person who none of us will dislike and he's brilliant at what he does because he takes his job seriously, his job is his life. I still can't believe how lucky we've been to get him while at the same time understanding why we have. He's going to love it here once he settles in and for once everybody connected to Newcastle United are heading in the same direction, the positivity is intoxicating. We've got the perfect manager for our club actually at our club for the first time in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 The more I read and hear about Benitez, the more I'm convinced we've got the best man possible for the job. Our job is seen as a bit of a poisoned chalice by some and that's bullshit. Benitez clearly loves football so he shouldn't feel any pressure here as the job will not be a chore to him. The best managers we've had here have passionately loved football, it was their lives and they thrived on it and Rafa is the same. We've appointed a good person who none of us will dislike and he's brilliant at what he does because he takes his job seriously, his job is his life. I still can't believe how lucky we've been to get him while at the same time understanding why we have. He's going to love it here once he settles in and for once everybody connected to Newcastle United are heading in the same direction, the positivity is intoxicating. We've got the perfect manager for our club actually at our club for the first time in years. Imagine if we survive. We'll be shitting it all summer that he'll walk because Ashley has pulled the rug from under him. Totally agree with your sentiment though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/12/rafa-benitez-will-be-one-employee-newcastle-united-owner-mike-as/? Really good article. The following excerpt shows why the protests have been worthwhile and why they might be having an effect. "It is hard to dissociate that fractured relationship between fans and club from the Sports Direct empire Ashley has built in Shirebrook, where the Unite trade union claims there are still 3,000 agency workers on contracts guaranteeing them just seven hours of work a week. In the light of the recent Guardian newspaper investigation, Sports Direct said Ashley would personally review working conditions at Shirebrook, but it is Unite’s belief that the Newcastle owner just wants the issue to go away. It might well have done were it not for the flagship football club to which Ashley hangs on to so grimly. Every failing at St James’ Park, every managerial disaster, every relegation battle leads back to the heart of the Ashley empire and that warehouse the size of 13 Olympic swimming pools, or the shops where the zero-hours contract is king. There would always have been unions such as Unite trying to improve the lot of workers at places like Sports Direct, but were it not for the attachment to the disputatious, committed supporter base of Newcastle there would be no banners at football matches and Ashley would be just another reclusive billionaire with little public profile beyond the business pages." Not sure what has happened to Ashley but that article also says that the club are going to lift their ban on The Telegraph. They even supplied some food at the press conference today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 On his past record, our best ever manager (all time?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Imagine if we survive. We'll be shitting it all summer that he'll walk because Ashley has pulled the rug from under him. Totally agree with your sentiment though. I really don't think Ashley will want the hassle, if we stay up he'll not want us appointing more shite and potentially creating another fight against relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 "If we do well I can stay here for a while". Please do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 The more I read and hear about Benitez, the more I'm convinced we've got the best man possible for the job. Our job is seen as a bit of a poisoned chalice by some and that's bullshit. Benitez clearly loves football so he shouldn't feel any pressure here as the job will not be a chore to him. The best managers we've had here have passionately loved football, it was their lives and they thrived on it and Rafa is the same. We've appointed a good person who none of us will dislike and he's brilliant at what he does because he takes his job seriously, his job is his life. I still can't believe how lucky we've been to get him while at the same time understanding why we have. He's going to love it here once he settles in and for once everybody connected to Newcastle United are heading in the same direction, the positivity is intoxicating. We've got the perfect manager for our club actually at our club for the first time in years. Imagine if we survive. We'll be shitting it all summer that he'll walk because Ashley has pulled the rug from under him. Totally agree with your sentiment though. Ashley wouldn't have appointed him in the first place if that was tne case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Rafa Benitez, winner for Valencia, Liverpool, Inter Milan, Napoli and then manager of Real Madrid is Newcastle manager. What the f*** is going on? My heart is attempting to feel feelings. It's absolutely mental, man. I can't get my head around it. Apparently training has been absolutely fantastic and the the mood in the squad has improved beyond belief. The speed and the quality of the sessions so far is also apparently incredible. How do you know ? Just what I've been told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 The more I read and hear about Benitez, the more I'm convinced we've got the best man possible for the job. Our job is seen as a bit of a poisoned chalice by some and that's bullshit. Benitez clearly loves football so he shouldn't feel any pressure here as the job will not be a chore to him. The best managers we've had here have passionately loved football, it was their lives and they thrived on it and Rafa is the same. We've appointed a good person who none of us will dislike and he's brilliant at what he does because he takes his job seriously, his job is his life. I still can't believe how lucky we've been to get him while at the same time understanding why we have. He's going to love it here once he settles in and for once everybody connected to Newcastle United are heading in the same direction, the positivity is intoxicating. We've got the perfect manager for our club actually at our club for the first time in years. Imagine if we survive. We'll be shitting it all summer that he'll walk because Ashley has pulled the rug from under him. Totally agree with your sentiment though. I'd imagine Rafa has been given some assurances about money being available to spend. Even if we do nowt we'll get an extra £30m on top next season from the TV deal so it's not out of the question for us to spend another £50m - £60m this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 The more I read and hear about Benitez, the more I'm convinced we've got the best man possible for the job. Our job is seen as a bit of a poisoned chalice by some and that's bullshit. Benitez clearly loves football so he shouldn't feel any pressure here as the job will not be a chore to him. The best managers we've had here have passionately loved football, it was their lives and they thrived on it and Rafa is the same. We've appointed a good person who none of us will dislike and he's brilliant at what he does because he takes his job seriously, his job is his life. I still can't believe how lucky we've been to get him while at the same time understanding why we have. He's going to love it here once he settles in and for once everybody connected to Newcastle United are heading in the same direction, the positivity is intoxicating. We've got the perfect manager for our club actually at our club for the first time in years. Imagine if we survive. We'll be shitting it all summer that he'll walk because Ashley has pulled the rug from under him. Totally agree with your sentiment though. Ashley wouldn't have appointed him in the first place if that was tne case. You reckon ? Keeps us up. Has all the club onside, his stock is high, pushes for more than Ashley will go for. Benitez is holding a great hand at the moment and we know how well Ashley plays his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 What the f*** man. I was completely gone, season ticket gone (it'll remain that way till fatty's gone), watching our games on the box or in clubs and literally laughing when we conceded, accepting thet we're already gone, but now we have a top class manager? Who actually cost money? Who is making his own demands? And our rat of an owner has given him what he wants? Completely amazed... And like that I'm back into giving a s***. We NEED to stay up now as this is the time where the c*** will realise that he's been completely wrong. Can't wait for Monday.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Reading through this thread again is just completely surreal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 He sounds fantastic on that press conference link. How these f***ing awful managers keep getting jobs in the Premier League is beyond me. Because a lot of clubs seem to think they don't matter and buying a load of players will sort everything out. Not a coincidence to me that a lot of the mid table teams who have figured it out have magically gotten significantly better. Also, the guys who were famous ex-footballers tend to get a free pass based on their popularity without necessarily having the slightest idea how to set up a football team. Yes, far too much of the 'Old Boys' mentality in football...that also applies in the area of managers' pay offs(where else do you get millions for failing at work?)and punishments for players where the PFA prevent them being fined more than 2 weeks' wages. Look at the failures of the likes of Bobby Charlton as a manager ; how disastrous Beardsley is with the Youth/Reserves ; how even our own Jackie Milburn proved too nice a guy to hack management, whereas the likes of Mourinho and Wenger, who never really played at top level, proved top rate managers. The Germans in particular have a more professional way of appointing coaches and managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 The more I read and hear about Benitez, the more I'm convinced we've got the best man possible for the job. Our job is seen as a bit of a poisoned chalice by some and that's bullshit. Benitez clearly loves football so he shouldn't feel any pressure here as the job will not be a chore to him. The best managers we've had here have passionately loved football, it was their lives and they thrived on it and Rafa is the same. We've appointed a good person who none of us will dislike and he's brilliant at what he does because he takes his job seriously, his job is his life. I still can't believe how lucky we've been to get him while at the same time understanding why we have. He's going to love it here once he settles in and for once everybody connected to Newcastle United are heading in the same direction, the positivity is intoxicating. We've got the perfect manager for our club actually at our club for the first time in years. Imagine if we survive. We'll be shitting it all summer that he'll walk because Ashley has pulled the rug from under him. Totally agree with your sentiment though. Ashley wouldn't have appointed him in the first place if that was tne case. You reckon ? Keeps us up. Has all the club onside, his stock is high, pushes for more than Ashley will go for. Benitez is holding a great hand at the moment and we know how well Ashley plays his. It seems every time we say "well surely even Ashley would realize X is a bad idea" he goes and does it anyway, because hey I'm Mr. built-sports-direct-from-the-ground-up-I-play-by-and-make-my-own-rules. But, should he keep us up, fucking off Benitez would be a level beyond. Like, irrecoverable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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