TK-421 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Surely it's better to go with what we've got, which is surely more than enough to get us up...than spend say, £20m on Knockaert who didn't make the step up to the Premier League last time, then have to spend similar again (or more) to replace him next year? I'm happy with the money there for next summer tbh. this occurred to me last night thinking how 'happy' i was with the fee for sissoko - that if we get promoted and want to push on when we get back up we're either going to have to sign gems for good money, develop a load of bairns to come through pretty quick, or end up spending similar sums ourselves to what everton were looking to splash and that spurs have splashed that'll be a massive test under ashley like, massive there's always the possibility that rafa will build a team that's more than the sum of its parts i guess but on coming back up at the very minimum you'd expect we'll need to splash slimani type cash on a proven striker But Ashley has said he's only ever wanted the club to spend what it earns/brings in, rather than him having to stump up his own money. Surely if we get promoted, we'll get prize money and Premiership money, and we may also have £30m already from Sissoko's transfer (if its up front, and doesn't get spent in January). We have spent a fair amount (by our recent standards) over the last 3 windows - and yes, we have balanced the books by selling/moving players, but thats how he seemingly wants it to work... so I don't get the worry that Ashley will suddenly not let Rafa/Charnley use any funds we gets from (big) players sales and/or Sky TV money??!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Surely it's better to go with what we've got, which is surely more than enough to get us up...than spend say, £20m on Knockaert who didn't make the step up to the Premier League last time, then have to spend similar again (or more) to replace him next year? I'm happy with the money there for next summer tbh. this occurred to me last night thinking how 'happy' i was with the fee for sissoko - that if we get promoted and want to push on when we get back up we're either going to have to sign gems for good money, develop a load of bairns to come through pretty quick, or end up spending similar sums ourselves to what everton were looking to splash and that spurs have splashed that'll be a massive test under ashley like, massive there's always the possibility that rafa will build a team that's more than the sum of its parts i guess but on coming back up at the very minimum you'd expect we'll need to splash slimani type cash on a proven striker But Ashley has said he's only ever wanted the club to spend what it earns/brings in, rather than him having to stump up his own money. Surely if we get promoted, we'll get prize money and Premiership money, and we may also have £30m already from Sissoko's transfer (if its up front, and doesn't get spent in January). We have spent a fair amount (by our recent standards) over the last 3 windows - and yes, we have balanced the books by selling/moving players, but thats how he seemingly wants it to work... so I don't get the worry that Ashley will suddenly not let Rafa/Charnley use any funds we gets from (big) players sales and/or Sky TV money??!! well he's never spent in advance of the money before has he? so next season we'll be on parachute payment and the full PL TV bifta won't come until the end of that season, assuming we're promoted of course i do think there's been a shift in policy from ashley and he'll spend more than before as long as rafa is running the show, but it's still hard for me to see us buying 2-3 players for £20/30m fees and that's kind of what we're going to need if we want to push on fast imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard 13 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Not to go all spreadsheets on this deal but we do have to finance a squad in the Championship and I'm sure we had to get a MA loan last time. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sissoko cash went towards running the club rather than being kept to one side. That said, I'm not sure who at the club will still be on top money. Got to have saved a ton on wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Newcastle United have been linked with a shock move for Sunderland teenage star Joel Asoro. Reports claim that the Magpies' chief scout Graham Carr watched 17-year-old Asoro in action for Sweden Under-21s at the weekend. Asoro has sprung to prominence this summer after catching the eye of new Black Cats boss David Moyes. Carr is keeping tabs on the youngster following an impressive performance for Sweden Under-21s, according to Expressen. Arsenal are also reportedly interested in the youngster, who joined Sunderland last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Newcastle United have been linked with a shock move for Sunderland teenage star Joel Asoro. Reports claim that the Magpies' chief scout Graham Carr watched 17-year-old Asoro in action for Sweden Under-21s at the weekend. Asoro has sprung to prominence this summer after catching the eye of new Black Cats boss David Moyes. Carr is keeping tabs on the youngster following an impressive performance for Sweden Under-21s, according to Expressen. Arsenal are also reportedly interested in the youngster, who joined Sunderland last season. 'He already plays for Sunderland, but he impressed me a lot', Carr is quoted saying to Expressen. http://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/landslaget/joel-asoro-hyllas-av-arsenal--newcastle/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 contract up maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorin Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Anyone else felt lost when Markovic faded out and left for Sporting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The Asoro rumour: I met Carr at Sweden-Netherlands on Tuesday (my article and quotes). Did not get the impression we're after him, just that he and Arsenal's Bobby Bennett were both really impressed with him when they watched Sweden-Spain U21 the day before. Spoke to Carr for quite a while. Very open and honest, somewhat feels he's been harshly criticized. He was clear on the fact that Rafa runs the whole show now, said all of the signings this summer was Rafa's. Referred a lot back to Tioté, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa and said that in Ben Arfa's case, it was all Pardew. "He only played him at times because he was a fan favourite. Just look at him now" was his conclusion. He also said Saivet was meant to be Tioté's replacement in January as the club was certain he was going, and badly misused as a consequence of that. All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 He's just a lightning rod for potential frustration now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The Asoro rumour: I met Carr at Sweden-Netherlands on Tuesday (my article and quotes). Did not get the impression we're after him, just that he and Arsenal's Bobby Bennett were both really impressed with him when they watched Sweden-Spain U21 the day before. Spoke to Carr for quite a while. Very open and honest, somewhat feels he's been harshly criticized. He was clear on the fact that Rafa runs the whole show now, said all of the signings this summer was Rafa's. Referred a lot back to Tioté, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa and said that in Ben Arfa's case, it was all Pardew. "He only played him at times because he was a fan favourite. Just look at him now" was his conclusion. He also said Saivet was meant to be Tioté's replacement in January as the club was certain he was going, and badly misused as a consequence of that. All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Interesting stuff. N-O EXCLUSIVE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The Asoro rumour: I met Carr at Sweden-Netherlands on Tuesday (my article and quotes). Did not get the impression we're after him, just that he and Arsenal's Bobby Bennett were both really impressed with him when they watched Sweden-Spain U21 the day before. Spoke to Carr for quite a while. Very open and honest, somewhat feels he's been harshly criticized. He was clear on the fact that Rafa runs the whole show now, said all of the signings this summer was Rafa's. Referred a lot back to Tioté, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa and said that in Ben Arfa's case, it was all Pardew. "He only played him at times because he was a fan favourite. Just look at him now" was his conclusion. He also said Saivet was meant to be Tioté's replacement in January as the club was certain he was going, and badly misused as a consequence of that. All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Sounds interesting. Also sounds like Pardew has done the same with Jedinak, a fan favourite, held in higher esteem than Pardew. Binned off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The Asoro rumour: I met Carr at Sweden-Netherlands on Tuesday (my article and quotes). Did not get the impression we're after him, just that he and Arsenal's Bobby Bennett were both really impressed with him when they watched Sweden-Spain U21 the day before. Spoke to Carr for quite a while. Very open and honest, somewhat feels he's been harshly criticized. He was clear on the fact that Rafa runs the whole show now, said all of the signings this summer was Rafa's. Referred a lot back to Tioté, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa and said that in Ben Arfa's case, it was all Pardew. "He only played him at times because he was a fan favourite. Just look at him now" was his conclusion. He also said Saivet was meant to be Tioté's replacement in January as the club was certain he was going, and badly misused as a consequence of that. All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Very enlightening. Feel a bit for Carr, he did bring some real talent here, I just think he looked at pure ability without taking into consideration the demands and pace of the premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Carr had one source for targets; I'm sure someone posted on here the other day that about 8/9 of our signings were represented by the same agency, which seems eminently plausible. His connections would've been more of an asset if they didn't represent our entire scouting network. What Carr's role was in the club's wider rhetoric, perpetuated by the likes of Pardew etc, remains largely unknown. The fact that he recently had an interview with Radio Newcastle and talked only about cricket and Northampton Town left me a bit suspicious. I won't be sorry to see the back of him if he does go because, if nothing else, he's a big part of the era we've (hopefully) just come out of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Mondial Sport, yes, been mentioned on here loads. If he had as much a say as reported he should have done everything in his power to keep Ben Arfa here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Mondial Sport, yes, been mentioned on here loads. If he had as much a say as reported he should have done everything in his power to keep Ben Arfa here. you cant argue with The King Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Where are the idiots that kept claiming Rafa wasn't making the signings over the summer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Where are the idiots that kept claiming Rafa wasn't making the signings over the summer? He didn't, Charnley did, Rafa said so himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Think Carr was lauded as a footballing guru when it suited the club and thrown under the bus when that suited them too. He's bent as anything, but nearly every football agent and scout are. A bunch of rich folk doing favours for one another for the right price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 All in all, I'd not expect him to be part of the club's setup for much longer. He said some things that made me quite certain he's not in any significant power, and from the sound of it, Benitez has a very different idea of who to sign. Not so sure on that. He's getting on a bit now and obviously still loves the game. I could see him just doing his simple scouting until he retires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Think Carr was lauded as a footballing guru when it suited the club and thrown under the bus when that suited them too. He's bent as anything, but nearly every football agent and scout are. A bunch of rich folk doing favours for one another for the right price. Unbelievably harsh man. I truly believe so many more of the players he brought in would have done far better if we ever bothered to have a decent manager at the club at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Really no need for the homophobia, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Kaka and Carr, ffs. It's embarrassing. Not one Carr-scouted player has done owt in football besides contribute to our relegation - and I obviously don't include international players we'd all heard of in that. Not to mention his role in appointing Steve McClaren when we had 6 months to get pretty much any unemployed or contractually vulnerable manager we wanted. Move on, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Really no need for the homophobia, like. Fuck sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Carr's job might have said chief scout but in reality he was more of an agent than anything else. His remit was to find young players with sell on value and, by in large, he achieved that. The whole "well I'd heard of him," crack is tiresome. That wasn't the crux of Carr's job and we all know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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