Shearergol Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, HawK said: Infinitely better than Shlevey though. I mean he clearly isn't, and I'm no fan of Shelvey at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shearergol said: I mean he clearly isn't, and I'm no fan of Shelvey at all. I'd have Hayden in the team every day of the week over Shelvey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 It wasn't just you and no yours was far from worst but I think he's earned respect for doing well by the club. I do rate him higher than Shelvey, Shelvely certainly can play better but mostly hasn't and has very often contributed absolutely nothing. Until slump more recently hayden could be relied upon to put in the hard yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 minute ago, jonny1403 said: I'd have Hayden in the team every day of the week over Shelvey. I wouldn't have either, I want them both replaced asap. However if we're stuck with the current squad there's no way on earth any manager plays Hayden over Shelvey, especially Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Shelvey is playing well right now, but so often he tails off quite quickly and I would rather have 10 men on the pitch than have him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiresias said: Shelvey is playing well right now, but so often he tails off quite quickly and I would rather have 10 men on the pitch than have him. It's not the right comparison though. Hayden can't retain the ball, he can't pick a pass etc. He might be able to break play up but that's about it (and he's not even that good at that). He'd probably be ok at somewhere like Norwich or West Brom I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 We need 2 midfielders. Shelvey for the rest of the second half of the season doesn't fill me with confidence. Willock has been absolutely pony. Longstaff/Hendrick aren't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 You're not wrong it isnt a great comparison, but I do genuinely think more fondly of hayden, when he leaves should be with head held high. Shelvey it's maybe more frustration that there clearly is a player there, just not able to sustain it and then many acts of stupidity on pitch too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 His distribution is appalling, he`d struggle to make a start elsewhere in the division Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hayden has really struggled this year; I wonder if the knee has been limiting him. Either way, he's absolutely not the standard of player we require even when fully fit. Neither is Shelvey, really, but when he's motivated he does have some decent qualities about him. If we're going to continue to play a midfield 3 for the rest of the season, Shelvey will do as one of the trio, but he absolutely shouldn't be the deepest midfielder. No matter how motivated he is, his defensive reading of the game is poor and he lacks the athleticism to make up for the things he misses. Hopefully, come mid-Jan, we're looking something more like Shelvey - New (Kamara?) - Joelinton as the 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Think he'll join Watford in the Championship next summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 3 hours ago, The Butcher said: Think he'll join Watford in the Championship next summer. Good luck to him over there. I don't think he will be required here after this season so probably best solution all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hayden take the ball off the back 4. He can't screen the back 4 and protect them. All he can do is crunch into tackles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
levelsevenlee Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Some interesting self-justification going on here... https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-beautiful-game-podcast/id1464558689?i=1000546871907 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I've only listened to the first half, but it is quite telling to hear him admit publicly that Bruce was obsessed with stopping the opposition over troubling them with what we could do. I do think he likes being here, but I also think he knows that the levels of ambition speculated means he's not long for the club either. Mind you, if I was working a job and people we're talking up my replacement so publicly and like I didn't matter I'd be miffed so I get his push back on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Got annoyed listening to that, sounds like the perfect man to carry a defeatist attitude like the one Steve Bruce had onto the pitch. I'm paraphrasing here but "oh yeah, the rumours we're going to sign 5 or 6 players.. but what if they don't want to come here, and what about the players who are already here with kids in school, are you just going to pay them to be in the reserves?" Yes Isaak, that's exactly what will happen. This isn't a public servants job, it's not secure. The club is not going to decide to remain uncompetitive to keep a few players happy. You're either good enough to keep up or be left out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Got annoyed listening to that, sounds like the perfect man to carry a defeatist attitude like the one Steve Bruce had onto the pitch. I'm paraphrasing here but "oh yeah, the rumours we're going to sign 5 or 6 players.. but what if they don't want to come here, and what about the players who are already here with kids in school, are you just going to pay them to be in the reserves?" Yes Isaak, that's exactly what will happen. This isn't a public servants job, it's not secure. The club is not going to decide to remain uncompetitive to keep a few players happy. You're either good enough to keep up or be left out of it. His point was that you can't just expect the existing players to instantly up and leave when they have their lives already established here and have 3/4 year contracts. They can stay there for that four year period if they want to. It's a perfectly reasonable point and one that lots of us would agree with if we were in the same position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, jonny1403 said: His point was that you can't just expect the existing players to instantly up and leave when they have their lives already established here and have 3/4 year contracts. They can stay there for that four year period if they want to. It's a perfectly reasonable point and one that lots of us would agree with if we were in the same position. The nature of player contracts now lets them leave as soon as a better offer comes in, there’s zero loyalty. It works both ways, we’re not talking about players that have been here for their whole career, they should be well prepared to move on once they are not needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Hayden wanted to leave before (for family reasons?) and we forced him to stay like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Nothing wrong with that interview and it was quite telling what he said about Bruce and also what he carefully chose not to say. Could tell he thought he was a dick. The playing in 3 positions thing was ridiculous as was the amount of formations the dinosaur used Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 22 hours ago, Dr Jinx said: Got annoyed listening to that, sounds like the perfect man to carry a defeatist attitude like the one Steve Bruce had onto the pitch. I'm paraphrasing here but "oh yeah, the rumours we're going to sign 5 or 6 players.. but what if they don't want to come here, and what about the players who are already here with kids in school, are you just going to pay them to be in the reserves?" Yes Isaak, that's exactly what will happen. This isn't a public servants job, it's not secure. The club is not going to decide to remain uncompetitive to keep a few players happy. You're either good enough to keep up or be left out of it. Yeah, it's not great for any player who has got comfortable here, mediocre players don't usually get to play for a high profile club. But things have changed Hayden mate, whether you are Shelvey, Clark or Isaac Hayden, this club is bigger than the players now, for the same reason Steve Bruce and Charnley were released, that will start to happen with players who can't step up as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Fair play, seems a good lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I still like him. We have players that are aging out and then we have players that were Bruced. Hayden was Bruced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Didn't expect this one like. When's he due back from injury? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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