Tiresias Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 You're not wrong it isnt a great comparison, but I do genuinely think more fondly of hayden, when he leaves should be with head held high. Shelvey it's maybe more frustration that there clearly is a player there, just not able to sustain it and then many acts of stupidity on pitch too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 His distribution is appalling, he`d struggle to make a start elsewhere in the division Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hayden has really struggled this year; I wonder if the knee has been limiting him. Either way, he's absolutely not the standard of player we require even when fully fit. Neither is Shelvey, really, but when he's motivated he does have some decent qualities about him. If we're going to continue to play a midfield 3 for the rest of the season, Shelvey will do as one of the trio, but he absolutely shouldn't be the deepest midfielder. No matter how motivated he is, his defensive reading of the game is poor and he lacks the athleticism to make up for the things he misses. Hopefully, come mid-Jan, we're looking something more like Shelvey - New (Kamara?) - Joelinton as the 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Think he'll join Watford in the Championship next summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 3 hours ago, The Butcher said: Think he'll join Watford in the Championship next summer. Good luck to him over there. I don't think he will be required here after this season so probably best solution all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hayden take the ball off the back 4. He can't screen the back 4 and protect them. All he can do is crunch into tackles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
levelsevenlee Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Some interesting self-justification going on here... https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-beautiful-game-podcast/id1464558689?i=1000546871907 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I've only listened to the first half, but it is quite telling to hear him admit publicly that Bruce was obsessed with stopping the opposition over troubling them with what we could do. I do think he likes being here, but I also think he knows that the levels of ambition speculated means he's not long for the club either. Mind you, if I was working a job and people we're talking up my replacement so publicly and like I didn't matter I'd be miffed so I get his push back on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Got annoyed listening to that, sounds like the perfect man to carry a defeatist attitude like the one Steve Bruce had onto the pitch. I'm paraphrasing here but "oh yeah, the rumours we're going to sign 5 or 6 players.. but what if they don't want to come here, and what about the players who are already here with kids in school, are you just going to pay them to be in the reserves?" Yes Isaak, that's exactly what will happen. This isn't a public servants job, it's not secure. The club is not going to decide to remain uncompetitive to keep a few players happy. You're either good enough to keep up or be left out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Got annoyed listening to that, sounds like the perfect man to carry a defeatist attitude like the one Steve Bruce had onto the pitch. I'm paraphrasing here but "oh yeah, the rumours we're going to sign 5 or 6 players.. but what if they don't want to come here, and what about the players who are already here with kids in school, are you just going to pay them to be in the reserves?" Yes Isaak, that's exactly what will happen. This isn't a public servants job, it's not secure. The club is not going to decide to remain uncompetitive to keep a few players happy. You're either good enough to keep up or be left out of it. His point was that you can't just expect the existing players to instantly up and leave when they have their lives already established here and have 3/4 year contracts. They can stay there for that four year period if they want to. It's a perfectly reasonable point and one that lots of us would agree with if we were in the same position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, jonny1403 said: His point was that you can't just expect the existing players to instantly up and leave when they have their lives already established here and have 3/4 year contracts. They can stay there for that four year period if they want to. It's a perfectly reasonable point and one that lots of us would agree with if we were in the same position. The nature of player contracts now lets them leave as soon as a better offer comes in, there’s zero loyalty. It works both ways, we’re not talking about players that have been here for their whole career, they should be well prepared to move on once they are not needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Hayden wanted to leave before (for family reasons?) and we forced him to stay like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Nothing wrong with that interview and it was quite telling what he said about Bruce and also what he carefully chose not to say. Could tell he thought he was a dick. The playing in 3 positions thing was ridiculous as was the amount of formations the dinosaur used Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 22 hours ago, Dr Jinx said: Got annoyed listening to that, sounds like the perfect man to carry a defeatist attitude like the one Steve Bruce had onto the pitch. I'm paraphrasing here but "oh yeah, the rumours we're going to sign 5 or 6 players.. but what if they don't want to come here, and what about the players who are already here with kids in school, are you just going to pay them to be in the reserves?" Yes Isaak, that's exactly what will happen. This isn't a public servants job, it's not secure. The club is not going to decide to remain uncompetitive to keep a few players happy. You're either good enough to keep up or be left out of it. Yeah, it's not great for any player who has got comfortable here, mediocre players don't usually get to play for a high profile club. But things have changed Hayden mate, whether you are Shelvey, Clark or Isaac Hayden, this club is bigger than the players now, for the same reason Steve Bruce and Charnley were released, that will start to happen with players who can't step up as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Fair play, seems a good lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I still like him. We have players that are aging out and then we have players that were Bruced. Hayden was Bruced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Didn't expect this one like. When's he due back from injury? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Didn't expect this one like. When's he due back from injury? Maybe Next Season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassassin Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Didn't expect this one like. When's he due back from injury? August 6th, away v Rotherham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I've always been a fan of Hayden, and will always appreciate the effort (and blood, at times) he left on the pitch for us. He was brilliant under Rafa, and I recall his interview when he first joined, about how Rafa took him out for a pint and rearranged glasses on the table to discuss tactics. He's always spoken well about us as well, and chose to stay with us after all the medical issues with his kid, who lives down south (still, I believe?). It's definitely time for both parties to move on, but he should be shown the respect he deserves when he leaves. He was a good player for us for at least 2-ish years, more I'd say. Injuries, and Bruce, took their toll. I wish him all the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 He would certainly have contributed to the effort to stay up this season had he been fit When did he get injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Yeah like others I have a lot of time for Hayden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Has always seemed like a great guy. He just regressed since re-signing a long term contract, injuries are mostly to blame but when we needed leaders this since the likes of Issac and Jamal didn't step up. He was immense for us not that long ago, had a great stint as emergency cover at CB, RB and looked excellent under Rafa in CM. Bittersweet though, if we stay in the league, he will more than likely have played his last game for us. Wish him all the best and hope he gets fit to be able to train with the lads and still contribute this season, even from the outside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, DJ_NUFC said: I've always been a fan of Hayden, and will always appreciate the effort (and blood, at times) he left on the pitch for us. He was brilliant under Rafa, and I recall his interview when he first joined, about how Rafa took him out for a pint and rearranged glasses on the table to discuss tactics. He's always spoken well about us as well, and chose to stay with us after all the medical issues with his kid, who lives down south (still, I believe?). It's definitely time for both parties to move on, but he should be shown the respect he deserves when he leaves. He was a good player for us for at least 2-ish years, more I'd say. Injuries, and Bruce, took their toll. I wish him all the best. Perchinho v2.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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