duo Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 6 hours ago, The Butcher said: It's becoming a joke - football is broke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Where will it end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, duo said: It's becoming a joke - football is broke. Said me great great grandad when Alf Common moved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Wonder how much he’s rinsed them for in wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 6 hours ago, The Butcher said: I don't understand this. How can a club with no previous mammoth expense, suddenly think this is a sustainable idea? Where is their income coming from when these Saudi sides are not globally viewed. Am I missing something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 PIF. Consider it a marketing expense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: I don't understand this. How can a club with no previous mammoth expense, suddenly think this is a sustainable idea? Where is their income coming from when these Saudi sides are not globally viewed. Am I missing something. Yes, the Saudi state has infinite wealth which it is prepared to use to fill the league with players from abroad. It’s not really to do with individual clubs. Edited July 31, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: I don't understand this. How can a club with no previous mammoth expense, suddenly think this is a sustainable idea? Where is their income coming from when these Saudi sides are not globally viewed. Am I missing something. They're getting free money from the government/PIF. This would be happening here if FFP didn't exist. I guess the plan is to try and fast-track their league to the levels of Europe's top 5 leagues and sell the product globally at a high price from there. It may well work because there's no denying there's a big interest in the league now, but they surely need to improve at a grassroots and youth level as well to make it properly sustainable rather than just throwing crazy money at established players. Having said that its hard to see the league ever having a pull other than it pays more than anywhere else. Edited July 31, 2023 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) Yes I understand the wealth, that's not the hard part. The long term sustainability is the tricky bit? It will never take off. The whole league would need to be competitive, or you're just looking at an SPL type league with two major clubs. There's no Uefa type competitiveness either. I just see failure, and a massive waste of cash, a bunch of players out in a country with awkward social settings, and when they're fed up, nobody will be able to afford to help them out, without these players taking huge pay drops. It's utterly pathetic. Edited July 31, 2023 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Ben said: Trades are the best. Pure chaos that would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, mighty__mag said: I don't understand this. How can a club with no previous mammoth expense, suddenly think this is a sustainable idea? Where is their income coming from when these Saudi sides are not globally viewed. Am I missing something. Sustainability isn't a factor, they're richer than God. That fee is chump change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 They have literally endless money, and as a result they know the price of everything and the value of nothing. it’s just fluff, change down the back of the sofa for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 One thing that worries me is where does Newcastle fit in with all of this - clearly the Saudi League the priority for PIF. They will want to build a league that is the best in the world - granted they are a long way off. But as has been said they have limitless money they can throw at this and if they keep buying players - in time --> Super League? The knock on effect is the weakening of other leagues including the PL. Which brings me back to Newcastle as surely we'll also be one of the clubs that will suffer playing in a weakening league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, duo said: One thing that worries me is where does Newcastle fit in with all of this - clearly the Saudi League the priority for PIF. They will want to build a league that is the best in the world - granted they are a long way off. But as has been said they have limitless money they can throw at this and if they keep buying players - in time --> Super League? The knock on effect is the weakening of other leagues including the PL. Which brings me back to Newcastle as surely we'll also be one of the clubs that will suffer playing in a weakening league. theyll never have the champions league though. some trumped up world wide fifa club competion at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Newcastle are an absolutely insignificant investment for them in financial terms. On top of that they’ve clearly realised the limits of what they can do in an established league with ffp. So they have created their own set up where they can spend as much as they want. it’s all pretty distasteful tbh and absolutely no threat long term unless you see yourselves spending hundreds of hours online talking about Al-Nassr or whoever. Maybe it’ll be good and we’ll have a more humble, competitive premier league as a result. I had plenty of years getting huge amounts of pleasure from English football before Sky hijacked it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, brummie said: Newcastle are an absolutely insignificant investment for them in financial terms. On top of that they’ve clearly realised the limits of what they can do in an established league with ffp. So they have created their own set up where they can spend as much as they want. it’s all pretty distasteful tbh and absolutely no threat long term unless you see yourselves spending hundreds of hours online talking about Al-Nassr or whoever. Maybe it’ll be good and we’ll have a more humble, competitive premier league as a result. I had plenty of years getting huge amounts of pleasure from English football before Sky hijacked it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 @brummie I have a sneaking suspicion you'll quite enjoy your football this year, mate. Barring any injuries to key players, but same goes for us. Think it'll be a competitive top of half the table this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I dont think the Saudi League impacts us in any real way. PIF could invest in us enough to make us another Man City and the money spent will be nothing to them. I'm sure they will still want to be one of the top dogs in the PL and Europe regardless of how the Saudi League is going. My only concern would be if they had ideas about some of our top players going to the Saudi League to improve the product over there. There's nothing we could do to stop it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Sustainability isn't a factor, they're richer than God. That fee is chump change. Nobody does business to throw money away with no return, do they? It's just obscene, 1m a week is pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I can't imagine ever getting interested in whether Al Nassr or Al Hilal wins the Saudi league, no matter who they've got playing for them. If the Saudis were to stage Usyk v Fury, that's something else, but a team sport is different. Interest is generated by an identification with a club for all sorts of historical or personal reasons. Throwing money around isn't going to create that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 2 hours ago, mighty__mag said: Nobody does business to throw money away with no return, do they? It's just obscene, 1m a week is pathetic. The ‘return’ is influence and reputation rather than financial in this instance. Other investments bring in the cash, and they can afford to throw away mega bucks on this project as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Probably will come to regret saying this, but I struggle to see their league ever being anything more then a novelty. They're signing amazing players, but it's still a handful of players across a whole league. Buying top quality defenders will never seen as exciting so I can't see them doing that, so we may end up with world class attackers playing against part time defences. Their clubs will still need to build the entire infrastructure and depth that most professional clubs have and this will take time, even with unlimited wealth behind them. The whole thing with their league just feels soulless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 It does feel soulless and that's where you need to create an actual football culture. MLS isn't perfect, but it's a good yard stick to measure against. You need supporter groups and people committed to attending rain or shine. Superstar players will get casuals through the door and the odd tourist, but that won't generate an atmosphere either. I'm curious if they plan to try and poach executives from European leagues next to try and build things out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timinperu Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 49 minutes ago, wiseman said: Probably will come to regret saying this, but I struggle to see their league ever being anything more then a novelty. They're signing amazing players, but it's still a handful of players across a whole league. Buying top quality defenders will never seen as exciting so I can't see them doing that, so we may end up with world class attackers playing against part time defences. Their clubs will still need to build the entire infrastructure and depth that most professional clubs have and this will take time, even with unlimited wealth behind them. The whole thing with their league just feels soulless I think the reason for such investment, is similar to what Qatar did with their league in the years running up to the World Cup bid. They bought ex- World Cup winners, and great players at the end of their careers solely to highlight the country. I spent two months there during this time, and 60 minutes into a game the sheik and his entourage would enter the mostly empty stadium, the foreign players would be subbed on. 15 minutes later with the score 3-0, the sheik would leave, the said players subbed. Job done. Rinse and repeat. This was one of the steps they took to acquire the World Cup franchise. This appears to be the same model SA are following. The aim is not to compete at all, it is to sell their country and raise awareness. Appears to be going well so far. It will not have a massive long term impact on other leagues. The premier league is just this, it is the world’s premier league, and it will remain so. Their clubs may do well in the Asian champions leagues, but this is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Matheus Franca apparently joining Crystal Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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