Theregulars Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 33 minutes ago, TorchyTBB said: I really don't boo players. If you really think Lonstaff is premier leagure quality, maybe it's not me that needs to give my head a shake. It's my opinion and I most definitely stand by it. We are all entitled to one and you are entitled to disagree. That's life... I mean we’re like almost 6 months into a season and he’s been a deserving regular in one of the best teams in the Premier League, so it’s just an anti-factual statement to make. It’s fair enough to be disappointed after today but I think your argument isn’t remotely persuasive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 the fine margin where that little bit extra in the key moments is where he fails to deliver, means he will be soon a squad/backup player,which i'm fine with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King HTT III Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 All season he’s been getting into some great positions in and outside of the box, but just strike the ball clean man or look to hit the target. Defensively he was very good again today mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Shelvey out before Longstaff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, TorchyTBB said: Works his socks off, but is no where near premier league quality. Unfortunately. You don't get up to third in the league by new year by carrying a midfielder who isn't Premier League quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 He's Prem quality, but limited. We'll probably outgrow him soon. Cannot fault his effort. Maybe he surprises us and improved. I'd love that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I've never rated him and I don't want to to go massively in on him as he's played a huge part in getting us to where we are but snatching at those chances at this top level is just not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Nowhere near a fan of his but no need to go over the top and call him worse than shit. We're third and he's played a lot of football... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I think longstaff's faults would be overlooked if we had other cms who were regularly scoring, running past players or having the skill to play the killer ball into the forward. Big Jo, Willock and Longstaff are unable to that against defensive teams.. so the negative traits are highlighted as soon as we struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) Just one of those days where our shooting was way off. Forget about it and and move on. Edited December 31, 2022 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Klaus said: We will probably be playing a lot more games next season. He will be a handy squad player going forward. Will never be a world beater though. Disagree with that, not gonna slag him off but he’s an average mid table player that’s all and we should replace him if we’re gonna have higher ambitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: I've never rated him and I don't want to to go massively in on him as he's played a huge part in getting us to where we are but snatching at those chances at this top level is just not good enough. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) It was a Sunday league miss. Almiron doing the hardwork and this guy just comes and boots it straight over. Edited December 31, 2022 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, RobsonsWonderland said: I think longstaff's faults would be overlooked if we had other cms who were regularly scoring, running past players or having the skill to play the killer ball into the forward. Big Jo, Willock and Longstaff are unable to that against defensive teams.. so the negative traits are highlighted as soon as we struggle. Ultimately he needs to be upgraded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I just think he is a slightly better midfield version of Wood. Works his bollocks off, gets in some good positions and makes good runs. But ultimately, he just lacks quality and composure when it matters. Infuriating to watch. First player out of the regular XI that needs upgrading. But he has a place in the squad, for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Even as a big fan he'd probably be the first person in the team I'd upgrade on. But his contract is till 2026 and I wouldn't even contemplate selling him unless Rafa turns up somewhere and offers daft money. He's improved and is hopefully still improving; one stinker needn't cause us to totally reevaluate his place in the squad. His shooting is weird. He's capable of tidy finishes but those ballooned efforts over the bar are nothing new. Seems very random, how he catches them. But Howe turned Miggy into a player that wildly outscores his xG by literally just telling him to aim higher, so I've faith he can squeeze more of a return out of wor Shlongy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 I think of it this way...he runs his bollocks off and probably has the highest running stats in the whole team...but he has to do that because he has little else. So while it is complementing the rest of the team at the moment and contributing to our high press tactics. Ideally what you want is a higher quality player with better technical ability but gives the same physical efforts, or close to. I realise those players are rare and or expensive. But that has to be the ambition. It's easier to coach a high technical player to work harder off the ball than it is to try and coach Longstaff to be better on the ball. To reach the next level and as harsh as it seems based on this year, it does feel a priority position to upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 54 minutes ago, alexf said: I think of it this way...he runs his bollocks off and probably has the highest running stats in the whole team...but he has to do that because he has little else. So while it is complementing the rest of the team at the moment and contributing to our high press tactics. Ideally what you want is a higher quality player with better technical ability but gives the same physical efforts, or close to. I realise those players are rare and or expensive. But that has to be the ambition. It's easier to coach a high technical player to work harder off the ball than it is to try and coach Longstaff to be better on the ball. To reach the next level and as harsh as it seems based on this year, it does feel a priority position to upgrade. It’s not. Liverpool have the same problem. It’s difficult to find technically superior or highly competent midfielders with excellent stamina, pace, strength and work rate. I can’t think of many outside the top 6. One I can think of that is perhaps superior physically and technically - Rice - would cost a bomb and likely out of reach. Although I think those are the types of players Ashworth and co. can find. Bissouma, Caicedo etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, The College Dropout said: It’s not. Liverpool have the same problem. It’s difficult to find technically superior or highly competent midfielders with excellent stamina, pace, strength and work rate. I can’t think of many outside the top 6. One I can think of that is perhaps superior physically and technically - Rice - would cost a bomb and likely out of reach. Although I think those are the types of players Ashworth and co. can find. Bissouma, Caicedo etc. Agree with this. Coaches can definitely improve players through getting them fitter and developing their tactical awareness and positioning however I doubt you instill an elite work-rate/ physicality into a player that doesn’t already have these traits. At least not enough to make a significant difference at the top-level imo. Edited January 1, 2023 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 He’s very good off the ball doing all the unglamorous things to break things up (more away from home) but playing against a low block at home he’s pretty redundant as he doesn’t have the technical ability or finishing around and in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 I don't want to be harsh on Longstaff like, I think players like him are massively underrated (although not so much by our fans anymore which is nice) but a front 6 containing him, Joelinton, Willock AND Wood is going to look limp at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 I think he’s been great recently, but he had a poor game yesterday. He’s been a huge part of our success and let’s not forget, him and Willock are very much still developing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: I don't want to be harsh on Longstaff like, I think players like him are massively underrated (although not so much by our fans anymore which is nice) but a front 6 containing him, Joelinton, Willock AND Wood is going to look limp at times. On another day we put those chances away but as more teams do this to us at home we’ll need better players to carve open chances and put them away. Maddison is basically the ideal type of player for this situation. An overlapping left full back would help too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, AJ9 said: I think he’s been great recently, but he had a poor game yesterday. He’s been a huge part of our success and let’s not forget, him and Willock are very much still developing. Spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: He’s very good off the ball doing all the unglamorous things to break things up (more away from home) but playing against a low block at home he’s pretty redundant as he doesn’t have the technical ability or finishing around and in the box. Don’t even think this is the case, sadly. He averages one tackle a game and less than one interception away. That’s about a third of Joelinton’s defensive output and about half of Bruno’s. He’s even trailing Willock comfortably overall, who typically offers a bit more otherwise as well. Yesterday was the first time he’s really been exposed, though. The two misses and then how it impacted his ability to take the third shot when it came show why he’s the first player we need to be upgrading. He’s a grand fifth or sixth choice CM, but shouldn’t be starting every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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