Menace Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 ASM is overrated by our fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I don’t think he’s over-rated like and would like to see him in a better team with a better manager here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 games playing out of position in the most turgid system imaginable and now people have decided ASM is overrated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Yeah that would be it. I'm basing it on the last 3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 games playing out of position in the most turgid system imaginable and now people have decided ASM is overrated Yeah its madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 games playing out of position in the most turgid system imaginable and now people have decided ASM is overrated Unbelievable how short people's memories are. On his day, ASM is one of the best in the PL. Pundits, other team's fans, the media etc. were frothing over his performances last season - he was lighting the league up. It's no coincidence that since our neolithic manager tinkered with his positioning and probably sapped a lot of his motivation, we've looked a lot less dangerous as a team and ASM has looked a fraction of the player he was last season. Some of that is no doubt down to other teams figuring out how to play him but most of it is down to our shit deployment of him In the right scenario ASM is a game winner - Bruce isn't that scenario, ever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 games playing out of position in the most turgid system imaginable and now people have decided ASM is overrated Absolutely mad. I really like Almiron but I don't think we've ever seen him have a game like ASM had a the end of last season or early this season. Maybe his debut I guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 ASM is expected to be our sole creative light, especially when miggy isnt in the team (and vice versa). its a thankless fucking task, no matter what position he's played in. he needs pace and intelligent movement around him just like any other decent player. ASM and Miggy are the absolute least of our worries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Yep it's the Ben Arfa situation all over again Overrated because he can't take on the whole team on his own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Or it could be cause he shows up once in a blue moon? With proper coaching, I would definitely fancy Almiron out of the two. ASM is great on his day, but most of the time he tries to be flashy and it doesn't quite work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Well that's not true is it. The last 3 games where he's mostly been playing out of position isn't a fair reflection when he was excellent between January and October Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Excellent? No player in this team has been excellent for a long time under this Bruce era, not having that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 There’ll be a couple of exceptions (ie Brighton this season, when he was injured) but he’s been at least 7/10 in every game in 2020 up until the last 3 imo. Often more, which is incredible in a Steve Bruce team. I don’t see the ‘once in a blue moon’ point at all tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 ASM's got that explosive quality that sets him apart. I don't think 'tries to be flashy and doesn't quite work' is a fair criticism when his role in the side is so isolated. Not isolated in the sense that he has no one around him: but isolated in the same way everyone in the team is isolated. They're just a bunch of directionless cogs in a machine that's falling to bits - no collective purpose, just random. When you've got the ball, lads, just try and do something. In that sense he's not 'trying to be flashy'; he's not being expressive at the wrong times, he just hasn't got a clue what he's supposed to be doing within the context of the rest of the team. You can apply that logic to just about every player atm. He'd have been an outrageous option to choose from alongside Rondon-Perez-Almiron. Imagine being a defender and having to put up with those three constantly drifting into the channels and creating space in behind; then on comes ASM to run at you and threaten from wide for the last 20 minutes. Not saying he wouldn't be an 'automatic starter', we'd just have options and the ability to effectively rotate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 People talk about him sometimes as if he's the second coming of Ben Arfa, other than running around and working hard he hardly produces anything positive in the final third, this is purely his fault and not down to tactics or formation, he's needs to develop a lot of aspects to his game and i doubt this will happen here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Think the guy is just really discouraged at this point. He would also benefit from a bit more direction on the pitch. Under Rafa, when Miggy first joined he made a lot more runs in behind and was killing teams with his pace that way. Under Bruce he drifts around way too much, usually in deeper areas of the pitch, which doesn't do him any favours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Hard to create something when your job is to sprint up the pitch from just outside our box. We are far too defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Subbed off whilst Hendrick stays on, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 TBH Bruce is that bad he probably does have an easier job keeping us up if he freezes out anyone with talent and just creates a big blob of cloggers. At least then he knows what to expect and how to manage it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 one of my favourite players at the moment but his diving is getting no better at all. its a fucking disgrace and Bruce needs to have a word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Don't care about players diving or being shithouse tbh. It's one of the reasons why I love Wilson. Every single other team in the league does it so I don't see why we shouldn't either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 na man. miggy takes it new levels man. don't mind shithousery but when its blatant diving, clutching face etc ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I agree with Huss, his is another level mind. Ref was falling for all our dives today mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Don't care about players diving or being shithouse tbh. It's one of the reasons why I love Wilson. Every single other team in the league does it so I don't see why we shouldn't either. Agree. Players need to dive otherwise the old fashioned refs would just consider it six of one half a dozen of the other like dopy Andy Townsend in the commentary box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Don't care about players diving or being shithouse tbh. It's one of the reasons why I love Wilson. Every single other team in the league does it so I don't see why we shouldn't either. Agree. Players need to dive otherwise the old fashioned refs would just consider it six of one half a dozen of the other like dopy Andy Townsend in the commentary box. haway man. there's diving and there's DIVING. wilson went down easily to get a pen - i'm all for that. miggy clutching his face after being tackled fairly or when he flings himself to the floor like he did against wba - no way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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