Yorkie Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 genuinely guffawed at that. Steve's on the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Spot on should be copied and sent as an open letter to the whole of the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He's basically made us Sunderland 2009-11. Fluke wins against the top teams, pathetic record against the bottom teams, no semblance of real football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 We need two new ones given Carroll is staying. Joelinton & Gayle aren’t good enough so those both need replaced. Might have got away with being able to keep one of those if Carroll had been released (one maybe being a budget squad player and the other the main striker) but no way can we go another season with 2 of the 3 forwards being from those 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 We need two new ones given Carroll is staying. Joelinton & Gayle aren’t good enough so those both need replaced. Might have got away with being able to keep one of those if Carroll had been released (one maybe being a budget squad player and the other the main striker) but no way can we go another season with 2 of the 3 forwards being from those 3. Surely Muto is off too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Get in. https://twitter.com/moneymikeashley/status/1285300394227359746?s=21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Tbf he was right when he said we weren't stagnating, actually getting worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. As someone pointed out, Rondon didn’t perform like he did last season under Benitez under Pardew & Pulis, what makes you think Bruce would have been more like Benitez than the other two based on watching his career as a manager for two decades? And you could add Shearer, Tomasson, Barnes, Rush, Asprilla, Ketsbaia & Andersson combined not just those two. Shearer had a big injury, Carroll is injury prone. Tomasson was new to the league, Joelinton is new to the league. Dalglish lost Ginola, Elliott & Ferdinand, Bruce lost Rondon & Perez. I don’t hear Dalglish being given the same half-arsed excuses Bruce gets now that he looks like he might miss out on the More Points Trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. As someone pointed out, Rondon didn’t perform like he did last season under Benitez under Pardew & Pulis, what makes you think Bruce would have been more like Benitez than the other two based on watching his career as a manager for two decades? And you could add Shearer, Tomasson, Barnes, Rush, Asprilla, Ketsbaia & Andersson combined not just those two. I said I don't think he'd be as productive under Bruce. But he at least would've scored 8 goals, which again is four times as many goals as Joelinton. Joelinton has been a disaster. If your main £40M new striker scores 2 league goals, survey says: you're getting fucking relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. As someone pointed out, Rondon didn’t perform like he did last season under Benitez under Pardew & Pulis, what makes you think Bruce would have been more like Benitez than the other two based on watching his career as a manager for two decades? And you could add Shearer, Tomasson, Barnes, Rush, Asprilla, Ketsbaia & Andersson combined not just those two. Shearer had a big injury, Carroll is injury prone. Tomasson was new to the league, Joelinton is new to the league. Dalglish lost Ginola, Elliott & Ferdinand, Bruce lost Rondon & Perez. I don’t hear Dalglish being given the same half-arsed excuses Bruce gets now that he looks like he might miss out on the More Points Trophy. We still finished 2nd in 1996-1997 season. We were in the Champions League in 1997-1998 season man - the squad was better than the one we have today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. As someone pointed out, Rondon didn’t perform like he did last season under Benitez under Pardew & Pulis, what makes you think Bruce would have been more like Benitez than the other two based on watching his career as a manager for two decades? And you could add Shearer, Tomasson, Barnes, Rush, Asprilla, Ketsbaia & Andersson combined not just those two. Shearer had a big injury, Carroll is injury prone. Tomasson was new to the league, Joelinton is new to the league. Dalglish lost Ginola, Elliott & Ferdinand, Bruce lost Rondon & Perez. I don’t hear Dalglish being given the same half-arsed excuses Bruce gets now that he looks like he might miss out on the More Points Trophy. We still finished 2nd in 1996-1997 season. We were in the Champions League in 1997-1998 season man - the squad was better than the one we have today. Add 40 goals to the 97/98 team that Dalglish effectively lost. Same argument you’re applying to Bruce isn’t it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. You say this as if Rondon and Perez still would’ve scored 25 goals that season had Bruce been in charge. They both had personal record scoring seasons as far as their premier league careers are concerned. I’m pretty confident that was largely because they were working for Rafa Benitez. Put those 2 in a Steve Bruce team and i’d bet that Rondon would look isolated like he did at WBA under Pulis, and Perez would probably be benched after a few games. Award winning post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Spot on Haven't .com been pretty nonchalant when it comes to protesting etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Spot on Haven't .com been pretty nonchalant when it comes to protesting etc So have the vast majority of the fan base also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. As someone pointed out, Rondon didn’t perform like he did last season under Benitez under Pardew & Pulis, what makes you think Bruce would have been more like Benitez than the other two based on watching his career as a manager for two decades? And you could add Shearer, Tomasson, Barnes, Rush, Asprilla, Ketsbaia & Andersson combined not just those two. Shearer had a big injury, Carroll is injury prone. Tomasson was new to the league, Joelinton is new to the league. Dalglish lost Ginola, Elliott & Ferdinand, Bruce lost Rondon & Perez. I don’t hear Dalglish being given the same half-arsed excuses Bruce gets now that he looks like he might miss out on the More Points Trophy. We still finished 2nd in 1996-1997 season. We were in the Champions League in 1997-1998 season man - the squad was better than the one we have today. Add 40 goals to the 97/98 team that Dalglish effectively lost. Same argument you’re applying to Bruce isn’t it? We went from 2nd to 13th from end of 1997 season to end of 1998 season. We finished 13th last season and we are likely to finish 13th this season with a point difference. Do you not see the difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 So samptime29[/member] - where do you think we would have finished this season had we kept Perez and Rondon and not bought Joelinton and ASM? Under Bruce I mean, not Rafa. Top 6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 So samptime29[/member] - where do you think we would have finished this season had we kept Perez and Rondon and not bought Joelinton and ASM? Under Bruce I mean, not Rafa. Top 6? I think we'd have been worse off personally. ASM has carried this team, neither Rondon nor Perez have that ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 So samptime29[/member] - where do you think we would have finished this season had we kept Perez and Rondon and not bought Joelinton and ASM? Under Bruce I mean, not Rafa. Top 6? I think we'd have been worse off personally. ASM has carried this team, neither Rondon nor Perez have that ability. I agree. Just wondered what Samp felt given that Bruce has been "hampered" this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 We looked really good with front three of Perez, Rondon and Miggy under Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Would love to know what his supposed plan is n all, given he should have been planning for next season since March. We rarely, if ever, play the same specific style either for a full game or one game after the next We chop and change formation to the same regularity as above We have chopped and changed personnel repeatedly We can’t keep players fit We rarely look like dominating a full game His record signing is an utter fucking joke who he can’t get a tune out of wherever he puts him Don't know how so many of his apologists on here can keep ignoring this, but instead they like to pull out meaningless guff about losing Rondon and Perez. A manager is supposed to know how to set his teams up. After 20 years of Bruce being in the game, still no one is any the wiser what his actual preferred formation is. He changes his mind twice a fucking month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. As someone pointed out, Rondon didn’t perform like he did last season under Benitez under Pardew & Pulis, what makes you think Bruce would have been more like Benitez than the other two based on watching his career as a manager for two decades? And you could add Shearer, Tomasson, Barnes, Rush, Asprilla, Ketsbaia & Andersson combined not just those two. Shearer had a big injury, Carroll is injury prone. Tomasson was new to the league, Joelinton is new to the league. Dalglish lost Ginola, Elliott & Ferdinand, Bruce lost Rondon & Perez. I don’t hear Dalglish being given the same half-arsed excuses Bruce gets now that he looks like he might miss out on the More Points Trophy. We still finished 2nd in 1996-1997 season. We were in the Champions League in 1997-1998 season man - the squad was better than the one we have today. Add 40 goals to the 97/98 team that Dalglish effectively lost. Same argument you’re applying to Bruce isn’t it? We went from 2nd to 13th from end of 1997 season to end of 1998 season. We finished 13th last season and we are likely to finish 13th this season with a point difference. Do you not see the difference? Do you think we’d be 13th now with this number of points had Benitez been in charge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 He has done okay this season. No Perez and Rondon is clearly is a massive loss (which has been underplayed all season on this board). We got lucky, but we had some good wins. Worried pre-season but we were safe a third of the way through the season. Football was super s*** at home too many times but 11 wins and 11 draws with a game to go is fine. Clearly we need the takeover and a new manager to progress but Bruce hasn't been a "failure". Obviously no takeover or new manager will be rattled this season but so vital we stayed up this season. So so important. He's benefitted massively from taking over a Rafa coached squad, even if he has made them shitter along the way. Rondon and Perez scored 25 goals combined. Joelinton scored 2. Don't care about transfer fees. There is -23 goals there. That's huge. Let’s give Kenny Dalglish a reprieve since Shearer & Ferdinand scored 41 goals between them in 96/97 but Shearer & Tomasson only scored 5 the next season. Bore off man. Shearer and Tomasson barely played in that season. Shearer had a horrific injury. I get you hate Bruce. Fine. But no Perez and Rondon is a big loss, and you not accepting that makes you like silly. Joelinton is utter gash man. Would he have scored a few more under Rafa? Probably. But we all have eyes, we've all seen him all season- his first touch gives me anxiety. He's turd. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez, I don't think they'd be as productive under Bruce, but they'd get 15-17 goals between them. Even just keeping Rondon he'd get at least 8 league goals for us. 4 times as much as Joelinton, who again scored 2 fucking goals. As someone pointed out, Rondon didn’t perform like he did last season under Benitez under Pardew & Pulis, what makes you think Bruce would have been more like Benitez than the other two based on watching his career as a manager for two decades? And you could add Shearer, Tomasson, Barnes, Rush, Asprilla, Ketsbaia & Andersson combined not just those two. Shearer had a big injury, Carroll is injury prone. Tomasson was new to the league, Joelinton is new to the league. Dalglish lost Ginola, Elliott & Ferdinand, Bruce lost Rondon & Perez. I don’t hear Dalglish being given the same half-arsed excuses Bruce gets now that he looks like he might miss out on the More Points Trophy. We still finished 2nd in 1996-1997 season. We were in the Champions League in 1997-1998 season man - the squad was better than the one we have today. Add 40 goals to the 97/98 team that Dalglish effectively lost. Same argument you’re applying to Bruce isn’t it? We went from 2nd to 13th from end of 1997 season to end of 1998 season. We finished 13th last season and we are likely to finish 13th this season with a point difference. Do you not see the difference? Do you think we’d be 13th now with this number of points had Benitez been in charge? No. Probably comfortably in the top half with a potential chance of euro qualification going in to last few games. Could easily imaging having at least another 10 points, and far fewer injuries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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