Dr Jinx Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Hatem was canny at crossing I thought? unless I'm misremembering, the Cabaye liverpool one, Cisse against Liverpool, I thought his crossing was pretty good. He had a few decent ones but was never consistent. And overall I preferred Ginola but Robert’s end product can’t be questioned. If he had the pace and dribbling ability of ASM or Ben Arfa I think you’d be looking at the complete forward player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Saint-Maximin is more likeable. Ben Arfa the more skilled, both had/have insane pace. Neither cross the ball particularly well given how strong they are in other areas and neither like tracking back. Laurent Robert had more end product than both put together. Was a decent cross Saturday by asm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 yeah think HBA's shooting and passing were better but ASM is improving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Bit unfair to compare Ben Arfa at Nice. When he joined us his best seasons in Ligue 1 were 6 at Marseille and 6 at Lyon, back when they were the big two. Not that different at the same stage of his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Don’t think we know what ASM is capable of yet. We don’t know his ceiling because he’s literally improving and being more effective than any imagined. If he gets double digit assists or goals this season he’s a 50m+ player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Don’t think we know what ASM is capable of yet. We don’t know his ceiling because he’s literally improving and being more effective than any imagined. If he gets double digit assists or goals this season he’s a 50m+ player. He’s been excellent in our two wins this season. He’ll benefit from having Lewis as an outlet on the left when he does end up back on the wing and having Wilson to play off. He should be looking at 15-20 goals/assists combined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Might as well sell him now while we can still fetch a good price for him. Before Bruce ruins him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 He’s still very hit and miss. One week he’s unplayable, but too often has performances that are pretty crap to be considered a top 4 player imo. Pure bollocks. I can think of one bad game he has had. Every game he plays hes either our best player or one of our better players. It just seems an easy thing to say about a flamboyant winger. Yup, lazy analysis. I mean, read through this thread yourself and there are numerous examples of his poor games. When I finish work I’ll drag them up. He's been brilliant for us in 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 There was some crazy stat published in the Times today, in 15 months Bruce has won 15 matches and 14 of those Maximin started. Bruce is basically relying on St Max to win him games, without him he doesn't really have any idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 ASM has been consistently good for us. Don't know how you could argue otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 There was some crazy stat published in the Times today, in 15 months Bruce has won 15 matches and 14 of those Maximin started. Bruce is basically relying on St Max to win him games, without him he doesn't really have any idea. Well there it is in black and white. We're massively over-reliant on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Bit o magic. Worse than Pardew. Fuck, he's worse than Pardew! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Hatem came to us as more of a finished product, didn't he? I think ASM has some room to grow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 He’s still very hit and miss. One week he’s unplayable, but too often has performances that are pretty crap to be considered a top 4 player imo. Pure bollocks. I can think of one bad game he has had. Every game he plays hes either our best player or one of our better players. It just seems an easy thing to say about a flamboyant winger. Yup, lazy analysis. I mean, read through this thread yourself and there are numerous examples of his poor games. When I finish work I’ll drag them up. He's been brilliant for us in 2020 By his own admission: Also posts in this thread just before the Oxford (h) game where he was poor home and away against Chelsea. He was dreadful this season against Brighton during his short cameo. Arsenal away, Crystal Palace away he was quite poor. As people have pointed out there’s a clear correlation between him underperforming and us not getting results. But to blindly say he’s a top 4 player and hasn’t been inconsistent at times is a load of bollocks and looking at him through tinted glasses. He was lambasted for having no end product for the first half of the season where he wasn’t getting goals or assists. He’s a great player but not top 4 quality yet, but he has all of the potential to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Apart from the Brighton 30mins he's been consistently good pretty much every game since about January Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Apart from the Brighton 30mins he's been consistently good pretty much every game since about January You’re admitting it yourself. ‘Pretty much every game’, ‘since January’. All I said was he has been too inconsistent at times and therefore not currently top 4 quality. It’s hardly an outrageous claim or ‘lazy’ as someone called it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Salah has shit games. And KDB. The best two players in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Apart from the Brighton 30mins he's been consistently good pretty much every game since about January You’re admitting it yourself. ‘Pretty much every game’, ‘since January’. All I said was he has been too inconsistent at times and therefore not currently top 4 quality. It’s hardly an outrageous claim or ‘lazy’ as someone called it. So how long do you have to be good for before you can be called consistently good? Is February to October long enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Salah has s*** games. And KDB. The best two players in the league. But ASM’s quality isn’t as high as them or as often as them. He’s undoubtedly a great talent and has potential to be top 4 quality but no need for everyone to get so upset when it’s pointed out he’s not quite there yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Apart from the Brighton 30mins he's been consistently good pretty much every game since about January You’re admitting it yourself. ‘Pretty much every game’, ‘since January’. All I said was he has been too inconsistent at times and therefore not currently top 4 quality. It’s hardly an outrageous claim or ‘lazy’ as someone called it. So how long do you have to be good for before you can be called consistently good? Is February to October long enough? February to October is a bit daft when during 4 of those months no football was played. February - October minus 4 months as ‘class’ August - February as inconsistent So he’s been more inconsistent then he has been top four quality? How many different ways does this need proving before people will calm down and accept it. I’m hardly calling him bobbins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Ahh, I thought you were using examples of bad games to prove he wasn’t a top 4 player. I missed the posts where you’ve highlighted examples of where he has done things a level below top 4 players, whilst still playing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 He was injured for quite a bit of August- February though After he got used to the league and over most of his injuries, he was able to build up a good run of games where he's been consistently really good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 He’s still very hit and miss. One week he’s unplayable, but too often has performances that are pretty crap to be considered a top 4 player imo. Pure bollocks. I can think of one bad game he has had. Every game he plays hes either our best player or one of our better players. It just seems an easy thing to say about a flamboyant winger. Yup, lazy analysis. I mean, read through this thread yourself and there are numerous examples of his poor games. When I finish work I’ll drag them up. He's been brilliant for us in 2020 By his own admission: Also posts in this thread just before the Oxford (h) game where he was poor home and away against Chelsea. He was dreadful this season against Brighton during his short cameo. Arsenal away, Crystal Palace away he was quite poor. As people have pointed out there’s a clear correlation between him underperforming and us not getting results. But to blindly say he’s a top 4 player and hasn’t been inconsistent at times is a load of bollocks and looking at him through tinted glasses. He was lambasted for having no end product for the first half of the season where he wasn’t getting goals or assists. He’s a great player but not top 4 quality yet, but he has all of the potential to be. Don't you need to be inconsistent all of the time to be considered inconsistent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 He was injured of August- February though After he got used to the league and over most of his injuries, he was able to build up a good run of games where he's been consistently really good Apart from Brighton, in September. Apart from most of January (which you earlier included). Apart from Arsenal, in February. Apart from Crystal Palace, in February. The list of this amazing top four form is getting smaller and smaller like He’s been unplayable at times, as I’ve said - but he’s also had his fair share of crap performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 30 mins versus Brighton and he gets called inconsistent despite being brilliant in matches in the last 6 months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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