Sima Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 He'll not put up with the abuse from the stands for long. He looks like a broken manatee now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, et tu brute said: No takeover and Bruce in charge and I don’t think many will give a fuck anymore. I still maintain that crowds will absolutely crash in this event. Unless Ashley is willing to increase his free tickets to over 20k I honestly doubt you will have 30k in the stadium. I know some on here disagree, but, we will see as it’s very likely going to be tested. Disagree, obviously attendances will drop to some degree but I don't believe it'll be substantial. Even just through a quick look on social media, all the superfans are still maintaining they're proud to 'support the team, not the regime' and the other same empty platitudes. Don't really know why anyone is expecting our fanbase to change, never will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 How the fuck can 'club sources' think that? If my memory serves me correctly, to get promoted from the championship is all about the accumulation of points isn't it? To accumulate points you have to win games? To win games you have to attack the opposition and score goals? Where the fuck has this cabbage faced kunt displayed that he can get 'his' team to do any of that? We couldn't even beat Brentford's reserves for fuck sake!! To be top in the championship you have to have momentum, be on a roll like Norwich have been. The only fucking rolls this wanker knows is the bacon variety. FUCK OFF!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: Disagree, obviously attendances will drop to some degree but I don't believe it'll be substantial. Even just through a quick look on social media, all the superfans are still maintaining they're proud to 'support the team, not the regime' and the other same empty platitudes. Don't really know why anyone is expecting our fanbase to change, never will. We’ll see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Just now, et tu brute said: We’ll see Of course I hope it turns out differently mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 It’ll be another step lower than the lowest recent number, seems inevitable. If we were giving away 10k tickets, we might need to give away 20k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 https://www.nufc.co.uk/matches/first-team/2020-21/middlesbrough-v-newcastle-united/ alarm bells continued, not even started, at this point. That was a more or less full starting eleven albeit not entirely fit, but what's the difference? (Darlow, Manquillo, Yedlin, Lascelles, Lejeune, Murphy, Hayden, S. Longstaff, Atsu, Almiron, ASM) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 28 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: Was listening to the Ornstein and Chapman podcast today, apparently club sources have relayed to them that they firmly believe Bruce is the ideal man to take us back up in the event of possible (probable) relegation Wonder if he can improve upon his heroic 12th placed finish last time when he was down there managing the biggest club with the largest wage budget in the division at the time. it really means they arent going to pay him off with millions, and they feel that they'll not be able to get anyone in better without another payoff. so instead of spending over £5m trying to change manager they'll let the useless twat get on with it. its purely finanancial. i'm sure they've realised Bruce is clueless but wtf.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I heard Bruce is just finishing his latest novel, Keeper! It's about a down-on-his-luck head coach who tries to cash in on one last gig but mysteriously disappears just as he's about to take his club down after refusing to resign... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I want to go because i want to abuse him in person, ive been denied that opportunity because of covid so if he is still here when they let us back in im going and hopefully thousands of others do too. The flat faced fucker deserves everything he gets inside and outside of the stadium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 46 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: Disagree, obviously attendances will drop to some degree but I don't believe it'll be substantial. Even just through a quick look on social media, all the superfans are still maintaining they're proud to 'support the team, not the regime' and the other same empty platitudes. Don't really know why anyone is expecting our fanbase to change, never will. I will bet that the numbers of these self-styled "superfans" will currently be no more that 20,000. People are in for a shock how low the crowds will be if NUFC are mid-table or worse in the Championship. Also, let's not forget that the vast majority of this lot will not have witnessed NUFC do anything worse than finish top of the Championship. A year or two truly in the wilderness will sharp have loads of them jumping ship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 53 minutes ago, Sima said: He'll not put up with the abuse from the stands for long. He looks like a broken manatee now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Plenty of ways to abuse him without filling Ashley’s pockets tbf. A lorry full of cabbages would be a start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I can 100% see them sticking with Bruce if/when we get relegated. I think it was someone like Caulkin or Waugh touched on it a few weeks back. They’ll think he’s the ‘right man’ for that division. As he has experience of being a shit manager at that level, as well as the Prem. Plus he got a few promotions and close calls over the years. Oh and he’s cheap and they don’t want to pay him compo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 how many automatic promotions and how many playoff successes out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: I can 100% see them sticking with Bruce if/when we get relegated. I think it was someone like Caulkin or Waugh touched on it a few weeks back. They’ll think he’s the ‘right man’ for that division. As he has experience of being a shit manager at that level, as well as the Prem. Plus he got a few promotions and close calls over the years. Oh and he’s cheap and they don’t want to pay him compo. He's not, and if those two say that, they're talking absolute shite. Doesn't surprise me though as I just don't get the love in with Caulkin by some on here and Waugh is just a junior Ryder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, et tu brute said: He's not, and if those two say that, they're talking absolute shite. Doesn't surprise me though as I just don't get the love in with Caulkin by some on here and Waugh is just a junior Ryder. i think Vlad was saying ashley and his crew, not caulkin/waugh think that bruce is the right man. Edited March 23, 2021 by huss9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, huss9 said: i think Vlad was saying ashley and his crew, not caulkin/waugh think that bruce is the right man. Doesn't read that way then, mind I'm not a fan of Caulkin or Waugh either way, though I know some will disagree. Edited March 23, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Doesn't read that way then, mind I'm not a fan of Caulkin or Waugh either way, though I know some will disagree. Caulkin imo is the best journalist covering the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 54 said: Caulkin imo is the best journalist covering the club. Yep you're entitled to your opinion. Edited March 23, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 We won’t be winning anything with shelvey walking around the pitch regardless of who’s the manager. Rafa had that lazy twat sussed out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, huss9 said: how many automatic promotions and how many playoff successes out of interest? Two automatic promotions (both 2nd), two play-off wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, et tu brute said: Doesn't read that way then, mind I'm not a fan of Caulkin or Waugh either way, though I know some will disagree. They’ll, as in Ashley and Charnley. Not ‘they’ as in Caulkin and Waugh. Just to clear that up. Not that arsed by Caulkin, FWIW. Especially after hearing him a few times on that podcast. He’s decent enough, I guess. Comparing Waugh to Ryder seems a bit harsh. He seems a far better journalist, speaker and writer. Probably why the Athletic poached him and not Ryder or Douglas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: They’ll, as in Ashley and Charnley. Not ‘they’ as in Caulkin and Waugh. Just to clear that up. Not that arsed by Caulkin, FWIW. Especially after hearing him a few times on that podcast. He’s decent enough, I guess. Comparing Waugh to Ryder seems a bit harsh. He seems a far better journalist, speaker and writer. Probably why the Athletic poached him and not Ryder or Douglas. Edited March 23, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tactical-clash-broken-newcastle-dressing-20234607 Quote The tactical clash in 'broken' Newcastle dressing room which 'stunk of relegation' Former Premier League stars Tim Howard and Danny Higginbotham did not hold back in their analysis of Newcastle United Newcastle United 'stunk' of relegation in Saturday's defeat to Brighton as they were punished for a lack of a clear plan. That was the frank verdicts of former Manchester United and Everton goalkeeper Tim Howard and ex-Stoke City defender Danny Higginbotham, who feel the contrasting philosophies of Steve Bruce and Graeme Jones are damaging Newcastle's Premier League survival hopes. The pair, who work on NBC Sports' coverage of the Premier League in the USA, brutally dissected Newcastle's no-show at the Amex Stadium on Saturday, as Brighton took them apart in a 3-0 win. It means the Magpies are just two points clear of the relegation zone, albeit with a game in hand over 18th placed Fulham, with nine matches remaining and they are now the bookies favourite to return to the Championship after four years in the top flight. Bruce has presided over a run of just two wins in United's last 20 matches in all competitions and the pressure is growing on his future in the St James' Park hotseat. And in a fascinating discussion about Newcastle's plight, which was refreshingly full of insight as opposed to tired sound-bites we have come to expect from certain pundits, the pair discussed Bruce's future as well as: · Why Newcastle's lack of a clear plan is costing them · Why the contrast in Steve Bruce and Graeme Jones' style is a problem, with insight from Howard on working under Jones at Everton · Why Newcastle need to adapt their mindset quickly to turn things around · And how Callum Wilson and Allan Saint-Maximin's return isn't necessarily the answer to all of their problems. Here is a full transcript of their analysis from NBC Sports' Premier League Match Week podcast: Newcastle 'stunk of relegation' as they continue to lack a 'plan' Tim Howard: "You can see the frustration among the Newcastle players. There isn't really an idea or a plan of how they are going to win a football match. "We have said Brighton haven't been good enough this season but the thing that stands out for me is Graham Potter has a belief and a plan of how they are going to win a game. "The plan is there and they continually hammer away at it. Newcastle might win a game but they don't know how they are going to win a game." Danny Higginbotham: "When I look at Newcastle, if you want to see what relegation looks like then watch that game. "Every single thing that stood out from Newcastle stunk of relegation. I think you had a group of players that didn't know what was expected of them. "You often hear the term that players have chucked the towel in and are no longer playing for their manager. I don't think they have given up on the manager, they just don't know what is expected of them. "You have got Steve Bruce who is a very pragmatic manager. You then have Graeme Jones who comes in who is very different." The contrast between Steve Bruce and Graeme Jones and the problems that may be causing Tim Howard: "Graeme Jones is a disciple of Roberto Martinez who is one of the most brilliant tactical managers I have ever known. "He would have come in and talked about the diamond, Graeme Jones implementing that. But he is smart and clever. "He wants to play on the front foot and press the game with the ball, very similar to how Brighton do. But when he comes in the middle of the season as an assistant manager, he can only tweak one or two things. "He has implemented the diamond which is his but we have talked about how that doesn't work when you don't have the best players. His idea of playing football is very much ball dominant, getting up the pitch quickly and often. "Right now, as an assistant manager, he can't do that because Steve Bruce is still the head coach." Danny Higginbotham: "It is a really difficult one because if you get rid of Steve Bruce people will say you might get that bounce. "It is a very difficult one but the one thing I would say is when you have a manager and a coach who have contrasting styles - we know Steve Bruce is pragmatic and Graeme Jones wants to be on the front foot - it is no surprise that six of the last seven goals they have conceded have been in the second half. "I don't think the players are fit enough to be able to play this diamond system three quarters of the way through the season. "It was an idea to try and score more goals and get them on the front foot. It worked initially but it is not working now." Tim Howard: "This is going to be interesting because they are in a real fight and when I look at their run-in of games they have got big, big games that not only I don't think they will win but, beyond that, they will get picked apart if they keep playing this diamond and the goal difference is going to be massive." Danny Higginbotham: "It seems built to contain and not to take the initiative. That is the problem." What do Newcastle need to do to stay up and do they need to get rid of Steve Bruce? Danny Higginbotham: "They have got to change their mindset. "There is always a team, every single season, who think they have mid-table sorted out and the mindset you need to have from mid-table to relegation battle is chalk and cheese. Two completely different mindsets. "They have fallen into this relegation fight and the mindset needs to change quickly. You can talk about the manager changing, what would happen and it is a difficult one because Steve Bruce is a very pragmatic manager. "I understand that but in order to be pragmatic, especially at the bottom of the league, you need to have a goalscorer. "Until Callum Wilson comes back, I don't see anything changing." Tim Howard: "It is simple now. It is Newcastle and Fulham. "Newcastle look broken to me. They look beaten. Fulham don't. "OK, Fulham aren't going to win every game but there is an upbeat nature about the team. Scott Parker's body language tells me they are going to get out of it. "Callum Wilson will come back. Allan Saint-Maximin will come back but Steve Bruce said there these are muscle injuries. "You can't just bring them back, expect them to play 90 minutes and for them to be at their best after a long time out. "They were beaten at all facets of the game. If they can't get up for this game, they have nine games left, how is Steve Bruce going to motivate his team to get up for the next nine games? "By the way, I hate the look of their run-in. I am not sure they win any of their next seven games heading up to Sheffield United and Fulham in the last two games." Danny Higginbotham: "The concerning thing for me is that they were beaten in all areas of the pitch today by a relegation candidate with them. "It is one thing to set up the way they did today when they are playing Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool - the best teams - that is fair enough. "But when you are playing against teams around you, you have to be the dominant team that goes and asks questions. "It is as though they need that fright, they need to concede a goal to come into the game. But the way Newcastle are playing at the minute, and they don't score goals, if they concede the first goal it is game over." Will Wilson and Saint-Maximin's return make the required difference? Tim Howard: "It gives them a lift but this team doesn't know how to win games. "Maybe they will give the ball to Saint-Maximin and let him go one on one and hopefully that works and gives them a boost. "But with these lay-offs, it is going to take time and they don't have time." Danny Higginbotham: "You look at the game today. "I saw Joelinton at right-wing, centre-forward, centre-midfield and at right-back. I saw Fraser at centre-forward, centre-midfield, left-wing and at left-back. "I saw central midfielders like Shelvey who was at the base of the diamond, then at the tip of the diamond. "I don't think the players know what is expected of them. "When you watch a good team, you know what their aim is within two or three minutes because you can see the plan. "I saw the plan from Brighton but I didn't see what Newcastle's plan was." Fulham or Newcastle: Who is getting relegated? Tim Howard: "Newcastle. Almost no doubt about that." Danny Higginbotham: "I said it on Friday when Fulham got beat. I still fancy Fulham. All the pressure is on Newcastle. "The Fulham players believe in what they are doing and that is the big, key difference. The only pressure that is on Fulham is from within. "Everybody wrote them off quite a while ago." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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