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[Anderson]

Imagine any of our lot coming out with what this Fulham player’s saying ffs, “manager’s spoken about coming here and winning, not just playing for a point.’

[The Prophet]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

[TRon]

I wonder how many of Bruce's fanboys in the media would put money on us staying up?

[toon25]

To have been 10+ points above the relegation zone and now to be one point short of it is absolutely fucking criminal.

[HaydnNUFC]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

Posted in the Bruce thread, Jones' formation is bollocks. Plays with no strikers and exposes our shite full backs badly. We may well be able to play with Almiron, Wilson, Manquillo and ASM but they're out and it needs changing.

 

If we don't beat Villa or Brighton a strong 10, we're down.

[Hhtoon]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

Without the injured players I can't see us scoring based on today's effort.

[Abra Dubravka]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

Posted in the Bruce thread, Jones' formation is bollocks. Plays with no strikers and exposes our s**** full backs badly. We may well be able to play with Almiron, Wilson, Manquillo and ASM but they're out and it needs changing.

 

If we don't beat Villa or Brighton a strong 10, we're down.

 

Change to what?

 

Isn’t formations problem, is lack of making use of it, and having any conviction in anything we do. Resorted back to Bruce’s classic approach of direct to Joe wide, who hopefully can get better of a full back physically. Nothing went through midfield, despite having four players in there. Full backs forever rushing it forward, instead of playing it back into midfield and going again. That’s not just lack of talent, that’s instruction.

 

Can’t just drop wingers so deep to protect crap full backs, as it’ll be back to case of having next to nobody in forward areas. It’ll be a case of us being sitting ducks again. We aren’t good enough in transition to move the ball, move positions, be patient when needed and get players from deeper areas into attacking positions to build attacks, probe down one side, come back out and try again.

[The Prophet]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

To add perspective, in their last seven games our rivals records are:

 

Fulham 3-3-2 12 points

Brighton 2-2-3 8 points

Burnley 1-5-1 8 points

 

Fulham's form has certainly made things interesting, but we're in similar form to the teams in and around us.

 

[Shearergol]

I mean it objectively isn't 'over' or 'done'. We've a game in hand on Fulham and we're still ahead of both them and Brighton. A draw today is very much a less good result now though, obviously.

 

You’ve said for ages now that we have no chance of going down. We’re you just basing it on Fulham struggling to win?

 

 

[HaydnNUFC]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

Posted in the Bruce thread, Jones' formation is bollocks. Plays with no strikers and exposes our s**** full backs badly. We may well be able to play with Almiron, Wilson, Manquillo and ASM but they're out and it needs changing.

 

If we don't beat Villa or Brighton a strong 10, we're down.

 

Change to what?

 

Isn’t formations problem, is lack of making use of it, and having any conviction in anything we do. Resorted back to Bruce’s classic approach of direct to Joe wide, who hopefully can get better of a full back physically. Nothing went through midfield, despite having four players in there. Full backs forever rushing it forward, instead of playing it back into midfield and going again. That’s not just lack of talent, that’s instruction.

 

Can’t just drop wingers so deep to protect crap full backs, as it’ll be back to case of having next to nobody in forward areas. It’ll be a case of us being sitting ducks again. We aren’t good enough in transition to move the ball, move positions, be patient when needed and get players from deeper areas into attacking positions to build attacks, probe down one side, come back out and try again.

 

The formation is part of the problem. We caught out Everton with it and capitalised on a poor Southampton defence who conceded 9 goals in one game in the game before but now its been found out. The players available can't play in this, Gayle was tragic when he came on and was tragic at Chelsea when in this weird false 9 winger hybrid position that Wilson had joy in at Everton.

 

We didn't press today like we have done in games previous, as we lack Almirón's energy. And with ASM, Almiron and Wilson out we have zero goal threat or creativity as was seen today. Constant long balls to Fraser () and Joelinton. We need to get the best out of the players we have available and keeping on playing this system is hindering rather than helping.

[Fantail Breeze]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

To add perspective, in their last seven games our rivals records are:

 

Fulham 3-3-2 12 points

Brighton 2-2-3 8 points

Burnley 1-5-1 8 points

 

Fulham's form has certainly made things interesting, but we're in similar form to the teams in and around us.

 

Weird selection, looking at 7 games. Form over the last 10:

 

Fulham - 14 points

Brighton - 12 points

Burnley - 11 points

Us - 8 points

 

Carry that over the next 10 games and we’re pretty much relegated. Go back 15 games and it’s even worse.

[Minhosa]

Who leaves if/when we drop?

 

I've got us guaranteed to be losing:

 

- Maxi

- Miggy

- Wilson

- Hayden

- Lascelles

- Dubravka

- Schar

- Lejeune

 

The only cunts we'd be stuck with would be Joelinton, Hendrick and fucking Shelvey.

[Shearergol]

Who leaves if/when we drop?

 

I've got us guaranteed to be losing:

 

- Maxi

- Miggy

- Wilson

- Hayden

- Lascelles

- Dubravka

- Schar

- Lejeune

 

The only cunts we'd be stuck with would be Joelinton, Hendrick and fucking Shelvey.

 

I’m really struggling to care. Hope all the good () players leave

[Conjo]

Who leaves if/when we drop?

 

Everyone we as fans want to keep, and everyone we want out of the club will stay.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Pull up your sleeves

Dust yourselves down

Fulham just won

We’re in the brown

No ones surprised, we’re doing the Brucey mistake

Voila!

[Optimistic Nut]

Hate the term ‘sleepwalking to relegation’. We’re full on sprinting in its direction.

[The Prophet]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

To add perspective, in their last seven games our rivals records are:

 

Fulham 3-3-2 12 points

Brighton 2-2-3 8 points

Burnley 1-5-1 8 points

 

Fulham's form has certainly made things interesting, but we're in similar form to the teams in and around us.

 

Weird selection, looking at 7 games. Form over the last 10:

 

Fulham - 14 points

Brighton - 12 points

Burnley - 11 points

Us - 8 points

 

Carry that over the next 10 games and we’re pretty much relegated. Go back 15 games and it’s even worse.

 

I was just at looking at since Jones came in as we've clearly improved since then and would be in far more trouble if we hadn't done so.

[Big Geordie]

I've already accepted the inevitable relegation. Entirely self-inflicted.

[Fantail Breeze]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

To add perspective, in their last seven games our rivals records are:

 

Fulham 3-3-2 12 points

Brighton 2-2-3 8 points

Burnley 1-5-1 8 points

 

Fulham's form has certainly made things interesting, but we're in similar form to the teams in and around us.

 

Weird selection, looking at 7 games. Form over the last 10:

 

Fulham - 14 points

Brighton - 12 points

Burnley - 11 points

Us - 8 points

 

Carry that over the next 10 games and we’re pretty much relegated. Go back 15 games and it’s even worse.

 

I was just at looking at since Jones came in as we've clearly improved since then and would be in far more trouble if we hadn't done so.

 

We had a ‘new manager bounce’ and won 2 of the opening 3. Since then we’ve reverted to type and been relatively s***. Jones isn’t going to make a jot of difference whilst Bruce is still here.

 

But fair enough, get what you were looking at now

[TRon]

Who leaves if/when we drop?

 

I've got us guaranteed to be losing:

 

- Maxi

- Miggy

- Wilson

- Hayden

- Lascelles

- Dubravka

- Schar

- Lejeune

 

The only cunts we'd be stuck with would be Joelinton, Hendrick and fucking Shelvey.

 

I’m really struggling to care. Hope all the good () players leave

 

Yep, would like to see them go on and have successful careers, no half decent player should be subjected to Bruce as a manager.

[et tu brute]

Since Jones came in we're 2-2-3 which isn't disastrous. If we carry on picking up points a similar rate we'll keep Brighton and Burnley in the mix.

 

Any of the four sides down there could easily go down, it's a tough call at this point.

 

To add perspective, in their last seven games our rivals records are:

 

Fulham 3-3-2 12 points

Brighton 2-2-3 8 points

Burnley 1-5-1 8 points

 

Fulham's form has certainly made things interesting, but we're in similar form to the teams in and around us.

 

Weird selection, looking at 7 games. Form over the last 10:

 

Fulham - 14 points

Brighton - 12 points

Burnley - 11 points

Us - 8 points

 

Carry that over the next 10 games and we’re pretty much relegated. Go back 15 games and it’s even worse.

 

I was just at looking at since Jones came in as we've clearly improved since then and would be in far more trouble if we hadn't done so.

 

 

I look at his managerial record and the fact that Rob Lee couldn't believe he had been appointed. The bloke was not the answer to the problem, getting a proven manager was. The fact this would prove difficult due to Ashley's ownership tels you everything.

[deejeck]

Bookies now think it's us who will go, along with West Brom and Sheff Utd. Fulham have lengthened to 4th favourites.  Can't argue with that at all.

[Yorkie]

I mean it objectively isn't 'over' or 'done'. We've a game in hand on Fulham and we're still ahead of both them and Brighton. A draw today is very much a less good result now though, obviously.

 

You’ve said for ages now that we have no chance of going down. We’re you just basing it on Fulham struggling to win?

 

 

 

Well firstly that's a load of rubbish because it's not a position I've held for ages. Pre-Sheffield United defeat I felt pretty certain we'd keep our heads well above water. I said, at that point, that we averaged three wins in ten throughout Bruce's entire tenure - which was factually the case - and I didn't see that changing. But I've been much closer to the fence since that night and my opinion has oscillated incident by incident.

 

I've always said the relegationometer is flawed so if I'm gonna backtrack on anything, it's that. Because, having started at 0 before the Sheffield United game, I've edged closer and closer to 10 with the occasional spike back to zero (like when we went 1-0 up against Palace after the Everton win, and I thought we'd sorted ourselves out).

 

Right nowt I'm at a 5 because I honestly don't know what's going to happen and wouldn't be surprised with either outcome. If I was putting money on it I'd bet on us staying up, because we're still ahead of two teams and our fixture list compares favourably to both (massively, in Brighton's case). But I wouldn't stake anything higher than a fiver.

 

 

Edit:

 

Incidentally, just to point out; my 'confidence', has always been a manifestation of my pessimism that Mike Ashley, Steve Bruce and all their respective media pals are going to be vindicated, by virtue of us embarrassingly limping to ~40 points. I've wanted us to fail and so, if I've said, "puh, whatever, of course we'll be fine" it comes from a place of bitterness towards those running the club - rather than trying to be the one contrarian in a cauldrun of entirely justified negativity.

[Anderson]

Imagine any of our lot coming out with what this Fulham player’s saying ffs, “manager’s spoken about coming here and winning, not just playing for a point.’

 

[Scoot]

It's utterly shocking management from the club. To just sit there and do absolutely nothing as we plummet down the table is criminal like. Any other club would have acted. Not us though. Mark Douglas hit the nail on the head with this tweet...

 

 

They seem to purposely do the opposite to what everyone wants as if to say "no one tells us what to do" even though its blatantly obvious they're wrong.

 

Totally shocking.