Shearergol Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Â Â Â Nope, the argument is there is a clear link between PIF and MBS. The murder is pretty irrelevant to the takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMTTS Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Â The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's fuck all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi?  The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face.   When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMTTS Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi?  The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face.   When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan   You've rumbled me - I've been running a decade-long deep cover operation pretending to be a Newcastle fan so I can attempt to undermine a future Saudi-takeover attempt. More gems from the N-O brains trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 It comes down to are PIF separate from Saudi once again. If they are then this news changes nothing. So it's as you were until de Marco proves or doesn't prove PIF''s separation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi?  The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face.   When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan   You've rumbled me - I've been running a decade-long deep cover operation pretending to be a Newcastle fan so I can attempt to undermine a future Saudi-takeover attempt. More gems from the N-O brains trust.   Ok Luke show me all your match day posts then I’m sure you can find loads over a decade. Oh wait you didn’t even have this account 6 months ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi?  The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face.  OK, so how would the EPL actually prove that to be the case? Doesn't the proof of non-separation need to be more hard wired than anecdotal evidence? Why would that implicate PIF and make the argument EPL trying to make any different to what they're already presenting? Genuine question bytheway, it just seems the fact MBS is chairman of PIF is more compelling evidence itself than this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Â The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's fuck all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. Â On this basis, this isn't new information. We've always known that MBS chairs PIF and that there are definite links between it and the state. Everything hinges on whether or not De Marco et al can sufficiently argue against the fact that the link is an absolutely fundamental one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Nope, the argument is there is a clear link between PIF and MBS. The murder is pretty irrelevant to the takeover. Â Almost comic really "Aha, we've discovered that you were in control of PIF when you ordered them to slaughter someone!"Â "So I can't take over the club because I'm a murderer?"Â "Oh, no, no, it's just that the receipt for the murder ties you to them, and the murderers were illegally streaming footy matches." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi? Â The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face. Â On this basis, this isn't new information. We've always known that MBS chairs PIF and that there are definite links between it and the state. Everything hinges on whether or not De Marco et al can sufficiently argue against the fact that the link is an absolutely fundamental one. Â Aye, basically this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi?  The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face.   When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan   You've rumbled me - I've been running a decade-long deep cover operation pretending to be a Newcastle fan so I can attempt to undermine a future Saudi-takeover attempt. More gems from the N-O brains trust.   Ok Luke show me all your match day posts then I’m sure you can find loads over a decade. Oh wait you didn’t even have this account 6 months ago  Here you go: https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11117;area=showposts;start=525 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy? Â That's the spirit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy?  That's the spirit   Should i be the positivity thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Anyway - this from a CIA report. Are they suddenly trustworthy? JFK trusted them with his life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So all we have to do to clear the way for the takeover now is take down the CIA, does anyone know any KGB agents whose bread making we could follow on the socials? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 So is the argument now that PIF have knowingly facilitated the murder of Khashoggi?  The point is more that the PIF ultimately operates under the absolute control of MBS. So yes day-to-day operations are managed by his appointments, but ultimately if he wants to commandeer PIF-owned planes to facilitate the murder of a journalist then there's f*** all anyone can do about it. So no one can ever push the "fully independent" line with a straight face.   When are you going to post on other threads which involve matches, Bruce. Ashley etc. Oh wait you won’t because you’re not a Newcastle fan   You've rumbled me - I've been running a decade-long deep cover operation pretending to be a Newcastle fan so I can attempt to undermine a future Saudi-takeover attempt. More gems from the N-O brains trust.   Ok Luke show me all your match day posts then I’m sure you can find loads over a decade. Oh wait you didn’t even have this account 6 months ago  Here you go: https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11117;area=showposts;start=525   So you had a different account did you. Even then you have about two posts in the last fours years relating to actual footballing matters. All you’re interested in has been the failure of the takeover and taking great delight in it. There is certainly a sound basis that you’re Edwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 HUGZ definitely isn't Penn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Not sure if it affects the takeover. Surely this would be day one of DeMarco and co's hiring? Because it hardly came out of nowhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Hahahaa. f*** beIN getting reinstated in Saudi. f*** that they Saudis and Qataris are buddies again. f*** that we have a bread loving lawayer who is an expert in sport cases taking charge of our case against the PL. f*** that things were going on in the background. It was never happening and this Saudi-MBS issue was always going to come back to light. There you have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/24/politics/saudi-top-secret-documents-khashoggi-bin-salman/index.html The filing lays out how ownership of Sky Prime Aviation was ordered to be transferred into the country's $400 billion sovereign wealth fund in late 2017. The company's planes were later used in the October 2018 killing of Khashoggi. The Kingdom's sovereign wealth fund, known as the Public Investment Fund, is controlled by the Saudi crown and is chaired by the crown prince, who is known as MBS. The documents establishing the link between the planes and the prince were filed by a group of Saudi-state owned companies as part of an embezzlement suit they opened last month in Canada against a former top Saudi intelligence official, Saad Aljabri. Planes owned by the Public Investment Fund were used to transport the Khashoggi assassins, on the specific orders of MBS.  "fully independent"; "irrelevant"; "nothing the PL can do to stop this" etc etc  Here he is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 As with the previous US intelligence report (which concluded that MBS ordered Khashoggi's murder), the content of this one is very damning but thе timing and the general tone of Biden's administration indicate that MBS is no longer tolerable as a partner to the US. And when that happens it's usually coup time at House of Saud. So we're closer to the end of MBS, than any of his 2030 fairytale projects, which unfortunately include our takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 This is as dead as a dodo, despite what the mentalists on here say. Â PIF is not a separate entity to KSA. MBS is the fucking chairman for fucks sake. Thats the grounds on which the takeover has been rejected and thats the grounds on which the takeover will continue to not be approved. Â EDIT: fwiw, I find absolutely no joy in this whatsoever as NUFC are as good as dead without it. Â Â Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 What an utter shit show this whole saga has been  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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