Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP

[Hhtoon]

2 minutes ago, Jinky Jim said:

He hasn’t a clue…..knows no more than us and makes sure he leaves all avenues open.

Yeah, there is absolutely a reason for Ashley to seek damages. The club, and ultimately him, will have been hit hard financially this year. Arbitration doesn't recoup this loss.

[Wandy]

Fuck's sake. For 5 mins I was giddy with excitement but those Jacobs tweets have punched me right in the gut again. 

[Disco]

Heard Luke Edwards and Special Keith are going to have a charity boxing bout to see who can claim the Golden Comb.

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[Jinky Jim]

Just now, Wandy said:

Fuck's sake. For 5 mins I was giddy with excitement but those Jacobs tweets have punched me right in the gut again. 

Ignore him...much of it is no more than guesswork, and posting a dialogue he wishes to happen.....he is, after all a journalist who needs clicks, so he puts out several versions of what it might mean, so he can cater for both groups of supporters....those wanting takeover and those who don’t....No one really knows how positive this latest law suit is....it might even turn out to be non productive...time will tell.

[B-more Mag]

12 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Why do you think it would be necessary if arbitration was going well?

It might not be. But arbitration usually isn't a thing that gives tons of clues along the way about whether it's going well or not. It's fight it out (put on your evidence and make your arguments), put it in the hands of the arbitrators, then find out if they agree with you or not. Yeah, there are extreme cases on either end, bad or good, but most cases aren't near those extremes. And yeah you can also pick up a a sense of where it may be headed. But I can also envision circumstances where you might say, regardless of where the arbitration's at, let's see if we can do something in a different venue that may expand the scope, be faster or slower, more in the public eye, etc. I could also be dead wrong and the club's fucked in arbitration.  

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by B-more Mag

[Fantail Breeze]

9 minutes ago, B-more Mag said:

It might not be. But arbitration usually isn't a thing that gives tons of clues along the way about whether it's going well or not. It's fight it out (put on your evidence and make your arguments), put it in the hands of the arbitrators, then find out if they agree with you or not. Yeah, there are extreme cases on either end, bad or good, but most cases aren't near those extremes. And yeah you can also pick up a a sense of where it may be headed. But I can also envision circumstances where you might say, regardless of where the arbitration's at, let's see if we can do something in a different venue that may expand the scope, be faster or slower, more in the public eye, etc. I could also be dead wrong and the club's fucked in arbitration.  

Thanks. Final question - from what you’ve just said, do you think it’s a possibility this is being progressed to ‘threaten’ the PL that it’ll air their dirty laundry? As is also being suggested in the positive thread.

That seems to make sense. But then Jacob’s tweets also seem to make sense that say the complete opposite  

[RS]

So it’s either a master stroke or the last throw of the dice (depending on which thread your in!)

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by RS

[Wandy]

10 minutes ago, Jinky Jim said:

Ignore him...much of it is no more than guesswork, and posting a dialogue he wishes to happen.....he is, after all a journalist who needs clicks, so he puts out several versions of what it might mean, so he can cater for both groups of supporters....those wanting takeover and those who don’t....No one really knows how positive this latest law suit is....it might even turn out to be non productive...time will tell.

Honestly, if this was happening at any other club and it was us looking in then I would be certain that the takeover would go through. But it is NUFC and I still just can't see it happening. Maybe I'm just too hard bitten by all of the horrendous bad luck we have had over the last 25 years.

[cubaricho]

2 minutes ago, Wandy said:

Honestly, if this was happening at any other club and it was us looking in then I would be certain that the takeover would go through. But it is NUFC and I still just can't see it happening. Maybe I'm just too hard bitten by all of the horrendous bad luck we have had over the last 25 years.

The fact that this isn't even on the BBC just goes to show how little other clubs even think about us. This is only a big deal to us because it is us. Otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about it on this board, I'd imagine.

[Wandy]

3 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

The fact that this isn't even on the BBC just goes to show how little other clubs even think about us. This is only a big deal to us because it is us. Otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about it on this board, I'd imagine.

I'm glad they are paying it no attention tbh. I want this all done without the media raking up the muck again.

[B-more Mag]

8 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Thanks. Final question - from what you’ve just said, do you think it’s a possibility this is being progressed to ‘threaten’ the PL that it’ll air their dirty laundry? As is also being suggested in the positive thread.

That seems to make sense. But then Jacob’s tweets also seem to make sense that say the complete opposite  

This admittedly doesn't squarely answer your question, but one thing I can say with a pretty good degree of certainty, is no reputable lawyer's going to put their ass on the line in a transparent blackmail effort. Having said that, there can be many, many square miles of real estate between between trying to get into a venue where some information may come out that would make the other side super antsy and a "transparent blackmail attempt."  So, I think there could be something there. But I'd be pretty reluctant to buy whole hog into the notion that the club's in possession of a nuclear bomb that won't go off if the EPL lets this go through. I'm no fucking help, like.

[B-more Mag]

Sort of unrelated, but live tweeting your legal strategy is almost always not a good move. Maybe it works out for Keith and the rest of us here, and, if so, fair play. But as a rule, fuck no.

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, B-more Mag said:

Sort of unrelated, but live tweeting your legal strategy is almost always not a good move. Maybe it works out for Keith and the rest of us here, and, if so, fair play. But as a rule, fuck no.

Part of the strategy some would say.

[Jackie Broon]

As I've speculated before, the PL board probably won't be the ones who decide whether to fight or settle this, their insurers will.

This move might essentially take the decision out of PL board's hands.

[wiseman]

Isn't the arbitration about the separation of PIF and the Saudi state, while this case is saying the EPL is corrupt, which would make these definitely separate cases and completely independent of each other but both applying uncomfortable pressure to the EPL. Especially with all the talk of Masters meeting big 6 before meetings and any link they can draw between him and ESL and project big picture will just be further evidence. 

 

I could be wrong here, but if he wins this case there could be some serious implications for the premier league

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by wiseman

[Candi_Hills]

32 minutes ago, RS said:

So it’s either a master stroke or the last throw of the dice (depending on which thread your in!)

Hopefully he has one

[cubaricho]

18 minutes ago, B-more Mag said:

Sort of unrelated, but live tweeting your legal strategy is almost always not a good move. Maybe it works out for Keith and the rest of us here, and, if so, fair play. But as a rule, fuck no.

 No way man, he’s just on fire tonight. Basking some would say. 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by cubaricho

[Teasy]

1 hour ago, Shearergol said:

How is he wrong though? Is arbitration is ongoing, this is counter-productive, regardless of Ashley's intent.

He's wrong because NUFC can drop the case at any time.  So it doesn't have to be counterproductive at all. Meaning it can be used as leverage.  It's ubeliecsbly naive of him to think that NUFC should leave this entirely to a PL controlled arbitration panel (I mean common the chairman advised the PL on the OD test for god sake, it's fixed clearly) without bringing any pressure to bare..  this seems to be the pressure imo.

 

[Consortium of one]

Full disclosure?  You bet its pressure.

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, cubaricho said:

The fact that this isn't even on the BBC just goes to show how little other clubs even think about us. This is only a big deal to us because it is us. Otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about it on this board, I'd imagine.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57017152

There is it.

[Hhtoon]

From a legal simpleton, I assume there are significant penalties for not disclosing, but what can be done to actually prove you haven't disclosed. This isn't a criminal case so assume no-one is going to go kicking doors in and stealing computers ala HMRC on poor old Lee.

E.g. if Masters has emails and a box of cash with written incrimination from Bein/Qatar, what's to stop him deleting everything and burning the letters? Apart from their good faith and sense of morality obvs.

[Candi_Hills]

Perhaps we’ll present our evidence - 150 damning emails between Glazer and Hoffman, plus 20 photos of Masters interfering with bairns - and then the PL will go, “So what? We’ll just have Sky and the BBC talk about VAR that week.”

[RS]

It may be that the Saudi government have assisted in providing evidence of traffic between the big 6, Qatar and the PL?

[LFEE]

8 minutes ago, Hhtoon said:

From a legal simpleton, I assume there are significant penalties for not disclosing, but what can be done to actually prove you haven't disclosed. This isn't a criminal case so assume no-one is going to go kicking doors in and stealing computers ala HMRC on poor old Lee.

E.g. if Masters has emails and a box of cash with written incrimination from Bein/Qatar, what's to stop him deleting everything and burning the letters? Apart from their good faith and sense of morality obvs.

I’d imagine our evidence would be of the nature of the type they’d want to delete but not much point if we have a copy already in our hands.

[Hhtoon]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I’d imagine our evidence would be of the nature of the type they’d want to delete but not much point if we have a copy already in our hands.

Yeah good point sorry, can't imagine we've progressed this without any evidence in hand.