Whitley mag Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddles mullet Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Load of Kaka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. This is certainly an interesting comment. I hope we do hear though. Fans deserve closure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 We've had closure. PIF pulled out and have given up trying to purchase the club. There is a lot more proof that this is what has happened than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 The trouble is that Caulkin's source is Staveley, who is scarcely in an objective position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 the pull out method huh? We'll see how that works out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 One thing that wouldn’t surprise me is staveley is scrambling around trying to get different investors inc the Rueben brothers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sean Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. What has he had to say about his source telling him "no red flags", "done in the next few days", and other things that utterly failed to happen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. What has he had to say about his source telling him "no red flags", "done in the next few days", and other things that utterly failed to happen? Quelle suprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. What has he had to say about his source telling him "no red flags", "done in the next few days", and other things that utterly failed to happen? Why don’t you ask him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Ah, it's the return of the lady hating wise one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 It’ll happen randomly one day in the next couple of weeks, with Messi signing and ASM being pushed out to the number 9 shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I’m pretty much convinced that the takeover is still being worked on like, and have been quietly confident since PIF pulled out and the subsequent statements / leaks from all involved. I believe it was a power play / a good way to reduce the scrutiny surrounding the deal. As far as I’m aware there is no need for any formal acknowledgment that a deal is back on / the owners test has resumed, therefore the parties can get on with getting the deal through without BEIN, Amnesty and co even realising that it is back on. Remember, we only found out that the owners test had started because of some leaks at companies house. They won’t happen if a deal is resurrected, therefore we’ll not find out if and when the tests resume. Basically, “let’s tell everyone it’s off so we stop getting letters / scrutiny from all angles, and let’s push it through quietly”. That’s what I’m choosing to believe is happening at the moment. They’re working to get it done as quietly as possible with zero leaks. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Like GC and the other journalists have said, if it was completely dead, Stavely and co would have drawn a line under it publicly. I don’t think they would leave us hanging without closure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. What has he had to say about his source telling him "no red flags", "done in the next few days", and other things that utterly failed to happen? Hi Sean, he's written about it in this (and a subsequent article) on the 30th July: https://theathletic.com/1963663/2020/07/30/newcastle-united-takeover-withdraw-staveley-ashley-pif-premier-league/ I'm sure you've read it in your detailed and unbiased quest for the truth, but to summarise, multiple sources from the consortium claimed: "The Premier League gave them “private assurances” before the deal was signed and again in mid-April that “approval would be forthcoming soon” before the mood music changed in June" Mr Masters then confirmed himself 2 weeks later that: "In June, the Premier League board made a clear determination as to which entities it believed would have control over the club following the proposed acquisition, in accordance with the Premier League rules" So only In June did they confirm which entities were to be included. Seems a long time after the tests started no? Either way, since the PL don't refer to any private assurances before or at the beginning of the process, you'll have to decide yourself whether to believe those multiple sources. Happy to help with your question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. What has he had to say about his source telling him "no red flags", "done in the next few days", and other things that utterly failed to happen? Hi Sean, he's written about it in this (and a subsequent article) on the 30th July: https://theathletic.com/1963663/2020/07/30/newcastle-united-takeover-withdraw-staveley-ashley-pif-premier-league/ I'm sure you've read it in your detailed and unbiased quest for the truth, but to summarise, multiple sources from the consortium claimed: "The Premier League gave them “private assurances” before the deal was signed and again in mid-April that “approval would be forthcoming soon” before the mood music changed in June" Mr Masters then confirmed himself 2 weeks later that: "In June, the Premier League board made a clear determination as to which entities it believed would have control over the club following the proposed acquisition, in accordance with the Premier League rules" So only In June did they confirm which entities were to be included. Seems a long time after the tests started no? Either way, since the PL don't refer to any private assurances before or at the beginning of the process, you'll have to decide yourself whether to believe those multiple sources. Happy to help with your question The private assurances were given before the deal was signed? That tells us all we need to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. What has he had to say about his source telling him "no red flags", "done in the next few days", and other things that utterly failed to happen? Hi Sean, he's written about it in this (and a subsequent article) on the 30th July: https://theathletic.com/1963663/2020/07/30/newcastle-united-takeover-withdraw-staveley-ashley-pif-premier-league/ I'm sure you've read it in your detailed and unbiased quest for the truth, but to summarise, multiple sources from the consortium claimed: "The Premier League gave them “private assurances” before the deal was signed and again in mid-April that “approval would be forthcoming soon” before the mood music changed in June" Mr Masters then confirmed himself 2 weeks later that: "In June, the Premier League board made a clear determination as to which entities it believed would have control over the club following the proposed acquisition, in accordance with the Premier League rules" So only In June did they confirm which entities were to be included. Seems a long time after the tests started no? Either way, since the PL don't refer to any private assurances before or at the beginning of the process, you'll have to decide yourself whether to believe those multiple sources. Happy to help with your question The private assurances were given before the deal was signed? That tells us all we need to know. Try telling that to the Staveley hating dumb fuck! What a complete and utter bellend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 The private assurances were therefore given before the list of directors was submitted. It would be naive to assume that the list wasn't discussed in acquiring those private assurances. And it appears as if the list was the problem. So did the list change between the time that private assurances were given, and the time the list was submitted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie john Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I’m pretty much convinced that the takeover is still being worked on like, and have been quietly confident since PIF pulled out and the subsequent statements / leaks from all involved. I believe it was a power play / a good way to reduce the scrutiny surrounding the deal. As far as I’m aware there is no need for any formal acknowledgment that a deal is back on / the owners test has resumed, therefore the parties can get on with getting the deal through without BEIN, Amnesty and co even realising that it is back on. Remember, we only found out that the owners test had started because of some leaks at companies house. They won’t happen if a deal is resurrected, therefore we’ll not find out if and when the tests resume. Basically, “let’s tell everyone it’s off so we stop getting letters / scrutiny from all angles, and let’s push it through quietly”. That’s what I’m choosing to believe is happening at the moment. They’re working to get it done as quietly as possible with zero leaks. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Like GC and the other journalists have said, if it was completely dead, Stavely and co would have drawn a line under it publicly. I don’t think they would leave us hanging without closure. I'm pretty much in agreement with this. There is no doubt that the PL & PIF/Stavely were getting very tied up in knots and the danger of public humiliation/BEin issue/continued scrutiny/bad press/Top 5 clubs involvement was all getting too much for everyone. So, the obvious solution was to withdraw the bid and declare publicly that it was dead. Then continue negotiations behind closed doors. So the issue of who heads the bid, who will run NUFC, KSA involvement etc could all be sorted out and agreed (or not) in private. Then, and only then, could a new bid and PL approval be announced. This is very logical but not necessarily true! We can only hope........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Nah I think it’d have happened pretty quickly after PIF pulling out if it was going to happen. Look at all the transfer targets, manager targets, etc they’ll be missing out on the last 6 weeks or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Do yourselves a favour and stop thinking this has any life to it. Accept the cold sweet embrace of death and never get excited for anything ever again, it is the only way to survive this madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marki Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I’m pretty much convinced that the takeover is still being worked on like, and have been quietly confident since PIF pulled out and the subsequent statements / leaks from all involved. I believe it was a power play / a good way to reduce the scrutiny surrounding the deal. As far as I’m aware there is no need for any formal acknowledgment that a deal is back on / the owners test has resumed, therefore the parties can get on with getting the deal through without BEIN, Amnesty and co even realising that it is back on. Remember, we only found out that the owners test had started because of some leaks at companies house. They won’t happen if a deal is resurrected, therefore we’ll not find out if and when the tests resume. Basically, “let’s tell everyone it’s off so we stop getting letters / scrutiny from all angles, and let’s push it through quietly”. That’s what I’m choosing to believe is happening at the moment. They’re working to get it done as quietly as possible with zero leaks. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Like GC and the other journalists have said, if it was completely dead, Stavely and co would have drawn a line under it publicly. I don’t think they would leave us hanging without closure. im back in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 The more people say/believe it is still on, doesnt actually increase the chances of it being true the deal is dead and so is the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 The more people say/believe it is still on, doesnt actually increase the chances of it being true the deal is dead and so is the club. Who let the fish out of it’s bowl? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 If you hear GC on the Athletic podcast it seems like there will be some sort of government involvement in this. He said it is important there is no leakage like last time. What exactly did GC say, because the way you've worded your post suggests he's already leaked that there's something going on. Caulkin has said this week, since pulling out all parties reaffirmed their commitment to deal, however the next we should hear is whether deal is off or completed. So whether you believe the deal is likely or not, what is pretty clear is that they are still looking at ways to make this happen. I don’t think we’ll be receiving any running commentary this time, as if Saudis are still involved they won’t want to lose any face if this falls flat again. I would guess PCP are exploring the options open and if there’s a possible route to approval with discreet nods and winks given, the Saudis will come back on board. The hype train is coming, and Caulkin is the conductor 👍🏻 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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