Guest HTT II Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, mrmojorisin75 said: were arsenal solid under emery? can't really remember anything about his time, probably cause i'd given up on football They went on a massive winning/not losing streak I know that, which he seems to do a lot at his various clubs. They were a bit all over the place from what I remember, but I’m sure PEA was at his best under him and he gave a lot of their younger players a chance too. My mate supports them as does my brother-in-law and they both have said he needed more time and money and were disappointed he got the sack. They did look woeful at times though, but not at the level Arteta has had them (under)performing mostly. I’d have him here in a heart beat, he ticks all the boxes, short to medium term and potentially long term. It’s not like he doesn’t have pedigree at the higher level of the game either, especially in Europe where he has won titles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 50 minutes ago, Sima said: Even his time in Belgium is shite. For him not to take that squad to a tournament final is a complete failure. Don't know like, always though they never had the quality of defensive players to kick on the winning stuff. It's more his time at Everton that concerns me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, 54 said: There are some proper melts in this thread. 3 weeks ago we where stuck with Brucey ball and Ashley, take a chill pill Dont understand this thought process. So people should be happy it’s anyone because it isn’t Bruce? Such a strange stance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Its Nigel, it's going to be Nigel......Pearson at the back post....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Dont understand this thought process. So people should be happy it’s anyone because it isn’t Bruce? Such a strange stance. Exactly if we wouldn’t want a manager when Ashley was in charge why would it be different now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Exactly if we wouldn’t want a manager when Ashley was in charge why would it be different now? Surely the difference is the change in ambition now? If an underwhelming manager comes in, they'll soon be out the door if they underperform. It's not like in the previous era where a Martinez would come in and be stuck here forever as long as we were on track to finish 17th. I'll get behind any manager on the basis that the correct decisions will be made by the owners if the performances are inadequate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Andy said: Surely the difference is the change in ambition now? If an underwhelming manager comes in, they'll soon be out the door if they underperform. It's not like in the previous era where a Martinez would come in and be stuck here forever as long as we were on track to finish 17th. I'll get behind any manager on the basis that the correct decisions will be made by the owners if the performances are inadequate. Yeah I understand that and I’m the same but we can still feel disappointed when certain managers are linked and if they where to get the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: Also don’t think the main quality the new manager should possess is that he’s simply better than Bruce. Literally loads of managers are doesn’t mean they are good enough. That's why it's taking so long. They're interviewing everybody that is better than Bruce. I'm in at 1pm Tuesday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: That's why it's taking so long. They're interviewing everybody that is better than Bruce. I'm in at 1pm Tuesday. Everyone that is better than Bruce you say? Well that's EVERY football manager that has every been or ever will be! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LV Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: That's why it's taking so long. They're interviewing everybody that is better than Bruce. I'm in at 1pm Tuesday. Right after the Gallowgate Pigeon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, 54 said: There are some proper melts in this thread. 3 weeks ago we where stuck with Brucey ball and Ashley, take a chill pill My personal timeliness of managers is: Keegan Dalglish Gullit SBR Souness Roeder Allardyce Keegan Kinnear Hughton Pardew McClaren Rafa Bruce Keegan and SBR aside, no other appointment had the consideration these guys seem to be making. I've waited 20+ for this to happen, I can afford to wait a little longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: My personal timeliness of managers is: Keegan Dalglish Gullit SBR Souness Roeder Allardyce Keegan Kinnear Hughton Pardew McClaren Rafa Bruce Keegan and SBR aside, no other appointment had the consideration these guys seem to be making. I've waited 20+ for this to happen, I can afford to wait a little longer. Not many are complaining with the time it’s taking, the discussion is simply saying for the majority of us we would be unhappy with Martinez which based on his managerial career is a very fair statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 If its Martinez, I will back him. Hopefully he would get us up the league and then we can see where we are before moving on to phase 2 of the project. Fwiw, I suspect Martinez is a fantastic coach, I just think he can be naive tactically/defensively. I still haven't forgiven him for Haidara mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Not many are complaining with the time it’s taking, the discussion is simply saying for the majority of us we would be unhappy with Martinez which based on his managerial career is a very fair statement. Oh aye, yeh! My bad, should probably have read the full conversation, but yeh, Martinez would be a massive disappointment, if he can't do it with the golden generation of Belgium, I don't know what makes anyone think he could do it with a similar standard of player here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Martinez to the end of the season as interim buying us time to get Rafa next summer…or whoever else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: Oh aye, yeh! My bad, should probably have read the full conversation, but yeh, Martinez would be a massive disappointment, if he can't do it with the golden generation of Belgium, I don't know what makes anyone think he could do it with a similar standard of player here. We don't have Belgiums golden generation though. Martinez might not have the nouce to take a group of stars and get them to win the world cup but many greats have tried that and failed, Fabio Capello anyone? That's not we would be asking him to do. We want him to sort out our rabble, get them into the top half next season and then aim towards the stars after that. I've no doubt he's not the man to win the league for us, or even get us into Europe perhaps but he might put the foundations in for the next bloke. He wouldn't be my choice either FWIW. Edited October 30, 2021 by STM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 If we knew or they said they'd have a new manager by Brighton or just after I doubt anybody would be overly concerned. Its the vaccum really that's causing this I reckon. The not knowing where we stand in terms of trajectory or organisationally. There's still a tendency, I do it, to go back to the Dogs of War vibe for a club to get out of trouble, though its probably not the case in modern football Martinez feels like the total opposite of that. The things he's known for, his plusses will not be achievable with these players and in the situation were in, in this time frame. Don't see any point at all in him until the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: If we knew or they said they'd have a new manager by Brighton or just after I doubt anybody would be overly concerned. Its the vaccum really that's causing this I reckon. The not knowing where we stand in terms of trajectory or organisationally. There's still a tendency, I do it, to go back to the Dogs of War vibe for a club to get out of trouble, though its probably not the case in modern football Martinez feels like the total opposite of that. The things he's known for, his plusses will not be achievable with these players and in the situation were in, in this time frame. Don't see any point at all in him until the end of the season. Isn't he renowned for attacking football? I think he could get a tune going with Wilson, ASM, Almiron and Willock? If we can spend more time in the opponent's half it reduces the pressure on the defence and gives them more time to organise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Still think that Martinez will want another crack at the World Cup in 12 months time. He took Belgium deep last 2 tournaments and should give himself another shot, he'll never manage a team as good again. Hope he does because I'm not particularly keen on him. Obviously he's better than Bruce but that's not the criteria we should be using, the new bloke(s) needs to do a complete root and branch revamp of the entire operation and I simply don't fancy him to be part of that situation. He's not a particularly bad coach or manager I just think there are far far better candidates for the role we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I doubt Martinez would come right now even if we wanted him. My guess it’s just his agent trying to keep his name relevant in club football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Only instance I am fine with having Martinez is that he is here until end of season, until a big name becomes available and comes in during the summer. But why would he do so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Johnny said: You can tell it’s half term when these accounts crop up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, LRD said: Only instance I am fine with having Martinez is that he is here until end of season, until a big name becomes available and comes in during the summer. But why would he do so? Not fussed about a big name, personally. Four letters is more than enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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