TopSnagger Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, The Prophet said: He kept them in the Premier League for four to five years didn't he? True, but he did also take them down. It's a failure of a manager if you go down after four to five years surely. Also look at Potter and Brighton, and what actual overachievement is. Bournemouth were good enough for midtable and nothing more. Hell, even Sheffield's one good season was more impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 So I presume all the talk coming in now about Howe, is because people are shitting themselves for a change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, TopSnagger said: True, but he did also take them down. It's a failure of a manager if you go down after four to five years surely. Also look at Potter and Brighton, and what actual overachievement is. Bournemouth were good enough for midtable and nothing more. Hell, even Sheffield's one good season was more impressive. He got Bournemouth to finish 8th? Not sure how that not considered an overachievement like Also mate the debate that one bad season makes a bad manager, its so short sighted and doesn't have any context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, et tu brute said: So I presume all the talk coming in now about Howe, is because people are shitting themselves for a change? Just general chat I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, cosmic said: Interesting interview where Emery talks about why Arsenal's Board selected him and some of the issues he faced along the way. His time in the Premier League will be very helpful as well as his experience at PSG at managing big named players that we will inevitably sign Read elsewhere that he resembles Sid the Sexist and you can totally see it in that video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopSnagger Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, 54 said: He got Bournemouth to finish 8th? Not sure how that not considered an overachievement like Also mate the debate that one bad season makes a bad manager, its so short sighted and doesn't have any context. Knew someone would bring that up. He finished 9th with 46 points which is about what he got most seasons, just above 40. Just lucked out that all teams were dire enough that 8th was 46 points ahead on goal difference for Southampton In contrast, 7th was 61 points. That was an outlier of a season, as shown by the fact he put up similar numbers the year after and finished 14th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopSnagger Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Honestly the media on English managers over-achievements are always over the top. 46 points was not a huge overachievement by any stretch of the imagination. In the PL under Howe, they had 42, 46, 44, 45 and then 34 points. You'd think his 9th place would be some huge outlier and a great performance when it was just the rest of the league being utter shite. People remember 9th because that's what the media want you to remember, but he was pretty consistently the same except the last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) New follow-up from earlier - beyond the "Al-Rumayyan was there" line I don't think anything else is new Edited November 2, 2021 by nbthree3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, TopSnagger said: Honestly the media on English managers over-achievements are always over the top. 46 points was not a huge overachievement by any stretch of the imagination. In the PL under Howe, they had 42, 46, 44, 45 and then 34 points. You'd think his 9th place would be some huge outlier and a great performance when it was just the rest of the league being utter shite. People remember 9th because that's what the media want you to remember, but he was pretty consistently the same except the last season Again, he got Bournemouth from League two with 17 points deficit, to the Premier League and stabilized them there, within a decade, i'm not sure how people can knock that achievement. Personally think he'd also be a good fit, hes young and could grow with the club in the coming years, and plays a decent brand of football. Emery was my number 1 choice for what its worth, but just think the disrespect Howe gets is massively unwarranted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) I bet Baldwards is already getting his unfavourable comparisons to Bruce drafted up and ready to go Edited November 2, 2021 by Chicane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Gaztoon said: Fans seem to be the polar opposite to the media lot.. Fans.. English manager must be shite Media.. English manager can't do nothing wrong Its just hard to bridge the gap that English coaches have found themselves behind in the past 20 years. The press and let's be honest the pundit buddies create and renew the cycle through of praise and hype to impossible levels so its hard for any British coach to succeed, followed by an outcry of injustice when they fail which rubs fans the wrong way. Lots of English coaches are better than fans think, likewise the allure of foreign coaches is often misguided. It's probably a bit more in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopSnagger Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, 54 said: Again, he got Bournemouth from League two with 17 points deficit, to the Premier League and stabilized them there, within a decade, i'm not sure how people can knock that achievement. Personally think he'd also be a good fit, hes young and could grow with the club in the coming years, and plays a decent brand of football. Emery was my number 1 choice for what its worth, but just think the disrespect Howe gets is massively unwarranted. From League 2 to Championship just proves he's an excellent lower league manager. You can only judge him on the PL for a PL club Like I can see how he's a big upgrade on Bruce but you guys are now able to attract most managers so probably should aim higher than Howe. I'd have been mad if we got him at Arsenal personally Edited November 2, 2021 by TopSnagger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 hours ago, PlymouthGeordie said: If you don't think keeping Bruce on (after briefing every media outlet around he was going) was a mistake then you're already at the point of refusing to criticise the new owners purely on the basis they're better than Ashley. If Conte is available, you don't interview Lampard or Howe as they operate in different leagues. It's the same with Emery, he's won multiple European and domestic trophies, you don't interview managers that have promotion from the championship on their CV when he is attainable. I'm not going in to back on forths on this, they mishandled the Bruce situation, which, along with league position and performances led to people worrying about the "delay" in getting a new manager. Ultimately, they've made an exciting appointment (if it happens). Calling people out for having legitimate concerns and worries is poor. No one in their right minds are criticising the owners other than yourself and the likes of New Beginnings because you simply couldn’t give them the patience required for 13 days since Bruce left. They deserved our patience after they hung around for so long to buy our club, yet you wanted them to immediately sack Bruce and appoint God knows who without a thorough process being undertaken. What they have done is the correct thing. If they get things wrong going forward, then by all means they can be criticised- no one will be above that- but come on, they’ve only been here a few weeks and you think you know better than they do about running a club. There has been no ‘delay’ other than in your own mind and what you now perceive to be the correct way/time of making decisions. I’ve called no one out other than to say your lack of patience and need of immediate action by the owners is a little bizarre and panic like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, TopSnagger said: Best of what Emery did at us (Were some awful moments in between too). But you'll notice fullbacks pushing up high and overlapping and sending in many short crosses He's also very open with his feelings on the touchline One touch football, through balls, accurate low crosses, movement. It’ll never catch on. Give me Brewcie’s shackles off, front foot football any day. In all seriousness. The standard of player will be totally different. But nice to see there is some sort of plan and structure to the play. It’s been non-existent since Rafa left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, TopSnagger said: Honestly the media on English managers over-achievements are always over the top. 46 points was not a huge overachievement by any stretch of the imagination. In the PL under Howe, they had 42, 46, 44, 45 and then 34 points. You'd think his 9th place would be some huge outlier and a great performance when it was just the rest of the league being utter shite. People remember 9th because that's what the media want you to remember, but he was pretty consistently the same except the last season The only reason I am not furiously agreeing with this is that Emery still hasn't been announced. So if he says no and we end up getting Howe, I'll have to end up coming up with a whole load of reasons in my own head as to why it was probably all for the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, nbthree3 said: New follow-up from earlier - beyond the "Al-Rumayyan was there" line I don't think anything else is new Wonder if he was the one to have the final say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Do find it weird how the 'good ebening' thing seems to be a stick to beat Emery with His English is a lot better than most people's Spanish and they usually pronounce a 'v' as a 'b' anyway in Spain. Just seems a bit cheap I guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Is it any different to taking the piss out of Cabbagehead's "well you know" or Gerrard's "yeah course" or like a million other things? Think people are taking that a bit too seriously like. I doubt Emery himself gives a toss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, joeyt said: Do find it weird how the 'good ebening' thing seems to be a stick to beat Emery with His English is a lot better than most people's Spanish and they usually pronounce a 'v' as a 'b' anyway in Spain. Just seems a bit cheap I guess Tunes will sort that out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, 54 said: Again, he got Bournemouth from League two with 17 points deficit, to the Premier League and stabilized them there, within a decade, i'm not sure how people can knock that achievement. Personally think he'd also be a good fit, hes young and could grow with the club in the coming years, and plays a decent brand of football. Emery was my number 1 choice for what its worth, but just think the disrespect Howe gets is massively unwarranted. It’s bewildering. They were on a par with us the two seasons we had Benitez in the Premier League with an arguably worse team. Not on a par in a ‘but Bruce got the same points’ way, he did it with a system he believed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudi Geordie Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Interesting news.. I like the way Arsenal used to play when Emery was coaching them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagCA Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Wonder if he was the one to have the final say He 100% gets the final say. That’s been very widely reported Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaztoon Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Wonder if he was the one to have the final say Very likely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 It's daft trying to knock Howe's achievements with Bournemouth, like. He's quite clearly got something about him, the only reason he's not had a job since is down to purely his reluctance to leave the area. However, Emery is on a different level and has a much bigger pull when it comes to attracting players to the project. His knowledge of the foreign markets and European experience is massive and we have a much higher celing with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just caching up on all of this. I would he absolutely delighted with Emery personally, fingers crossed it comes off and the deal doesn't fall down at the final few hurdles. Nowhere for the players to hide with a manager of this calibre coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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