Guest Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 a wonderkid? he's 21 ffs. should be regular international if that was the case. Mahrez was still playing Ligue 2 football at 23 mind. Ayoze Perez was a similar age when he came from Tenerife. Obviously it’s expecting a lot but there may be the odd one or two hidden gems still out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 aye, there's a FM trait in fans that if you're not beating the world at age 18 then you're finished Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Wasnt Vardy playing for Fleetwood at 25 or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 we're due another bargain basement lotto win here lads, law of averages and all that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 a wonderkid? he's 21 ffs. should be regular international if that was the case. Mahrez was still playing Ligue 2 football at 23 mind. Ayoze Perez was a similar age when he came from Tenerife. Obviously it’s expecting a lot but there may be the odd one or two hidden gems still out there. Kante was in Ligue 2 at the age of 22/23, integral in the Leicester side that won the PL 2 seasons later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Obertan was playing for Man United by the age of 20, on the flip side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I mean, there’s probably an 80-90% chance that he doesn’t even get near the first-team squad but can’t just write him off. He’s a first-team regular with a few goals & assists so he might be a diamond in the rough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Personally, I love signings like this. Zero risk and nothing known about him but there’s just that small chance he could turn out to be brilliant. Far more exciting than signing already established players! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Aye, same. I was the same with that kid we got from Queen’s Park last season too. Interesting to see how they pan out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Aye, same. I was the same with that kid we got from Queen’s Park last season too. Interesting to see how they pan out. This for me as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just compared his Peru trajectory to Solano. He’s about 18 months behind in terms of appearances etc. At this age Solano was playing in Peru and wouldn’t go to Boca until next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 a wonderkid? he's 21 ffs. should be regular international if that was the case. Mahrez was still playing Ligue 2 football at 23 mind. Ayoze Perez was a similar age when he came from Tenerife. Obviously it’s expecting a lot but there may be the odd one or two hidden gems still out there. Kante was in Ligue 2 at the age of 22/23, integral in the Leicester side that won the PL 2 seasons later. yes and none of them were being called a wonderkid at the time. thats what i meant. i was having a go more at the article, than the player. just the hyperbole in certain media outlets trying to fool us into thinking we'd made a great signing. nothing against the signing - but call him a "promising youngster" rather than a "wonder-kid" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Bruce lowering expectations today with his patter that he doesn’t see more incomings. You know just 2 weeks after saying how well he gets on with Mike and Mike is pledging support etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Bruce lowering expectations today with his patter that he doesn’t see more incomings. You know just 2 weeks after saying how well he gets on with Mike and Mike is pledging support etc. I've no doubt Mike will support his latest announcement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 OH MY GOD ...this is a must read Graham Carr talking about scouting for Newcastle and Ashley. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8761341/Super-scout-Graham-Carr-reveals-Newcastle-United.html We started talking about Ben Arfa. Mike had this thing with a 4-4-2, first-team players on £40k a week and understudies on £20k. 'He couldn't understand why we'd want Hatem and Jonas Gutierrez, two left wingers, on £40k. I knew Hatem could be brilliant, so I cut in, 'He's a No 10, actually, and he can cut in from the right'. That was it, done. 'But he had this plan — buy them younger than 25, with sell-on value. If I asked him to spend £10m on a 29-year-old, he'd f***ing laugh at me. Over time, that plan hasn't worked. But I do believe that he meant well.' It was often said that Pardew was frustrated with Ashley's trust of Carr's judgment over his own. Carr insists he has a good relationship with Pardew, but does laugh as he tells one tale from a St James' Park transfer summit. 'Alan had a new centre forward in mind and the analyst was ready with the clips. I'd been brought up on Jackie Milburn and watched Malcolm Macdonald, Alan Shearer. And there on the screen was (Bradford striker) Nahki Wells! 'I'm thinking, 'F***ing hell'. Sometimes, you have to think how the fans would react. That one never happened.' :lol: :lol: :lol: That leads into perhaps the most revealing conversation of all — the ones that got away. Carr takes a deep breath. 'If the club were honest and went through the records… Hakim Ziyech, Wilfred Ndidi, James Maddison. I saw Raphael Varane play for Lens when he was 17 and I called Derek Llambias (managing director) that night. You get excited when you spot one. 'Mike and I went to Saint-Etienne to watch (Pierre-Emerick) Aubameyang. Mike just said, 'Who am I watching?' You recommend them, but then you just don't know what happens sometimes.' Riviere was the £6m striker signed on Carr's say-so in 2014. He scored even less than Joelinton during a disastrous two years on Tyneside, culminating in relegation. 'He'd played for France Under 21s and was doing well, we liked him. And then he came here…' The manner in which Carr trails off is telling. I kind of want him back :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Those quotes are hilarious when they should be despairing. "Which one am I watching?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 After reading that I genuinely feel MA was trying to get into it, but was just so damned clueless abut football However, if under Carr we had got the right manager that really knew the players he was bringing in and could organise a team to play good football, I really think things would have worked out. The biggest tragedy is that when Carr finally got the chance to bring in a manager, and I'm sure he knew which ones could have got us playing decent football with the players he brought in, he went and opted for his fried McClaren instead. Terrible stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I thought this bit was the funniest tbh: 'Benitez wanted to do it his way. I went into the boardroom and Rafa was with the head of HR, that was me done. I walked down the corridor and Lee Charnley (managing director) said, 'Cheerio, Graham'. I just kept walking. It was sad the way it turned out, especially when you love the club. And I do miss it, a lot. FFS Charnley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The Nakhi Wells one for me man. Bloody Alan Pardew. So wretched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I thought this bit was the funniest tbh: 'Benitez wanted to do it his way. I went into the boardroom and Rafa was with the head of HR, that was me done. I walked down the corridor and Lee Charnley (managing director) said, 'Cheerio, Graham'. I just kept walking. It was sad the way it turned out, especially when you love the club. And I do miss it, a lot. FFS Charnley What a knob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I trust Carr's judgement overall, but the signing of Riviere was inexcusable! He's always been crap. I remember watching him for St.Etienne during his early days of his career, I was thinking to myself: 'That's the French Shola Ameobi'. He was worse, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Ironically I just wrote in one of the other threads how all things being equal, we'd be a top 6 club anyway if we hired an even half competent director to oversee the football side of it. Beggars belief that we were having minimum wage scouts reporting to a casino manager to advise about transfer targets. There again, we did just take govt money to furlough our head scout for the summer so not like much has changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I can kind of sympathise with Charnley for his "Cheerio Graham" but it demonstrates precisely why he shouldn't be the one in that position. At that moment he should have realised it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I trust Carr's judgement overall, but the signing of Riviere was inexcusable! He's always been crap. I remember watching him for St.Etienne during his early days of his career, I was thinking to myself: 'That's the French Shola Ameobi'. He was worse, of course. Aye. That coming at the end kind of ruined the moment for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 He got a player wrong, so what? He clearly knew football and had a passion for it- and we're worse off without his input. We've generally been less effective in the market without him than we were with him. If he'd been made DoF and not had to go through Charnley and Ashley we'd be better off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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