gdm Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Shore up the defence and Dubravka would be fine. He’s making mistakes coz he’s no confidence in those in front of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Why would Man Utd not take the piss on this loan deal? Like the reportedly have with us and Martial and with Lingard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Why would Man Utd charge us extortionate figures for Lingard but not Henderson? Don't see this one happening for that reason alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, 54 said: Whats wrong with that, especially in our current position? Generally over priced and over hyped. Hard to find good value in the British market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: Don't think Henderson is any better than Dubravka. Me either. At least not at present. It’s a bit of a weird one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, 54 said: Whats wrong with that, especially in our current position? I don’t think those players are any better than what we have, excluding Tripper. Wood, Henderson, Burn. Think there is better value elsewhere too. Also his transfer record at Bournemouth was limited because of his weird obsession with British buys. Not convinced he’s the man to kick us on unless the transfer dealings are taken away from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) Dubravka is massively overrated; Henderson is a huge upgrade on him. Edited January 30, 2022 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, gdm said: Why would Man Utd not take the piss on this loan deal? Like the reportedly have with us and Martial and with Lingard Just now, PlymouthGeordie said: Why would Man Utd charge us extortionate figures for Lingard but not Henderson? Don't see this one happening for that reason alone. Because they’d simply lose Lingaard at the end of the loan so want what they can get/ask for him? Henderson isn’t out of contract, so if he plays well, it means he returns to them with better reputation, playing time etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 We give Lingard signing on cash now, and he walks on a near free if we go down would mean more signing on cash in the summer. If he just wants money, he can do an Oscar and go to whatever minor league has the most cash in 2022. Re:Henderson, I wanted a backup keeper but didn't expect it to be Dubs. Presumably we only get Henderson if we promise to start him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: Because they’d simply lose Lingaard at the end of the loan so want what they can get/ask for him? Henderson isn’t out of contract, so if he plays well, it means he returns to them with better reputation, playing time etc. yes. I get the lingard one That’s why I asked about them reportedly doing the same to us with Martial. Don’t just answer half the question Man Utd aren’t going to do us any favours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Hopefully we are in for Origi or Minamino Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Ultimately If we get say a winger, striker and ar least 1 cb in having Henderson would be a bonus. Should mean the end of Darlow which is to be celebrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 So are we saying all of our British links are Howe's buys? And all of the foreign links aren't his? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, gdm said: yes. I get the lingard one That’s why I asked about them reportedly doing the same to us with Martial. Don’t just answer half the question Man Utd aren’t going to do us any favours I didn’t see anything about us asking for martial and their demands? What was that? I’m simply replying about the difference between Lingaard and Henderson. Jesus. ?♂️?♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: I don’t think those players are any better than what we have, excluding Tripper. Wood, Henderson, Burn. Think there is better value elsewhere too. Also his transfer record at Bournemouth was limited because of his weird obsession with British buys. Not convinced he’s the man to kick us on unless the transfer dealings are taken away from him. Given the size of a club like Bournemouth their transfers were probably limited in scope tbf. Can go on about being 'obsessed' with British buys but players like Bruno and attempts for Carlos, Botman and Bakker/Digne would suggest that given our resources and size he has scope to go for players that were unachievable for Bournemouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Dubravka has been poor and also can’t be relied on with his fitness, decent deal I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: I don’t think those players are any better than what we have, excluding Tripper. Wood, Henderson, Burn. Think there is better value elsewhere too. Also his transfer record at Bournemouth was limited because of his weird obsession with British buys. Not convinced he’s the man to kick us on unless the transfer dealings are taken away from him. I do see your point long term. Assuming Howe is here for the next few years. It would also be a concern of mine if he had a big say in transfers in the years ahead. All that said. In the here and now. I think Henderson is clearly better than Dubravka. Based on only seeing him a few times and from watching our centre backs for the last 2-3 seasons. Burn is surely an upgrade, as well? Bit uninspiring after the players from abroad we spent weeks chasing. But there you go. Wood was overpriced. But it felt like that was a bit of a needs must signing to fill in for Wilson. We should have had a back up to him already, of course. Not sure it was ever meant to be an upgrade on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Even if Dubravka does come back into some sort of form there’s every chance he gets injured again before the end to the season. If Henderson is available it’s a no brained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Manxst said: I didn’t see anything about us asking for martial and their demands? What was that? I’m simply replying about the difference between Lingaard and Henderson. Jesus. ?♂️?♂️ Tbh I think why they are asking for money for lingard is pretty obvious because he’d just leave for free. apparently we enquired about loaning Martial and we’re quoted £6m loan fee. Sevilla ended up loaning him with no loan fee Edited January 30, 2022 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, joeyt said: So are we saying all of our British links are Howe's buys? And all of the foreign links aren't his? No, just making a link between shit British players (or those from a PL club) being linked to us and his record of 43 of his 50 fee-commanding transfers previously fitting that memo. People mock Dyche at Burnley, but Howe’s record isn’t far from that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, Fantail Breeze said: I don’t think those players are any better than what we have, excluding Tripper. Wood, Henderson, Burn. Think there is better value elsewhere too. Also his transfer record at Bournemouth was limited because of his weird obsession with British buys. Not convinced he’s the man to kick us on unless the transfer dealings are taken away from him. Wood is better then Gayle and gives us a different dimension in attack, not better then Wilson but he's out for 8 weeks and we where desperate. Burn would walk straight into our defense, knows the league, and for £15M would be a sensible if not unspectacular signing. Henderson I don't really know much of admittedly, however he was Man United's Number one last season until he got COVID, so must have something about him. We've also been heavily linked with other players from outside the domestic leagues, and put in record bids for 2 CB's to say "Howe loves a British transfer" seems a bit odd. There is also no evidence that he's the one leading the charge on transfers, in fact it was reported for this Windows its being run as a group with Nickson, Rueban, Staveley and Howe, working together. Howe's transfer record got Bournemouth from bottom of League 2 to 5 years in the Premier League, there was a couple of naff buys in his last 2 seasons, but most Bournemouth fans have said he's pretty astute in the market. I do however 100% agree with there being better value elsewhere, and going forward that is where I see us focusing our transfers, but in January, with us being in the relegation we can't afford to give players a month to bed in, we need players to hit the ground running, and know how the league operates, so buying from within is perfectly acceptable in this circumstance, and is what i'd probably look to do in a similar position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, gdm said: Tbh I think why they are asking for money for lingard is pretty obvious because he’d just leave for free. apparently we enquired about loaning Martial and we’re quoted £6m loan fee. Sevilla ended up loaning him with no loan fee I don’t think we ever enquired for martial, so doubt we got quoted a loan fee. He’s always wanted to go to Sevilla- it’s been highly publicised that it was there or nowhere. But who knows for sure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 The Wood slander continues. He's from about as far away from Britain as you could possibly be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Nearly went there in the summer before Darlow was out along with Dubravka? Makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: No, just making a link between shit British players (or those from a PL club) being linked to us and his record of 43 of his 50 fee-commanding transfers previously fitting that memo. People mock Dyche at Burnley, but Howe’s record isn’t far from that. You do have a point mind. If he is planning on staying here long term, he will have to change his mindset from safety buys. Bigger expectations brings bigger signings and egos and it’s something he will have to deal with to be around long term. Sure he will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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