christ Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Even if Dubravka does come back into some sort of form there’s every chance he gets injured again before the end to the season. If Henderson is available it’s a no brained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Manxst said: I didn’t see anything about us asking for martial and their demands? What was that? I’m simply replying about the difference between Lingaard and Henderson. Jesus. 🤷♂️🤦♂️ Tbh I think why they are asking for money for lingard is pretty obvious because he’d just leave for free. apparently we enquired about loaning Martial and we’re quoted £6m loan fee. Sevilla ended up loaning him with no loan fee Edited January 30, 2022 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, joeyt said: So are we saying all of our British links are Howe's buys? And all of the foreign links aren't his? No, just making a link between shit British players (or those from a PL club) being linked to us and his record of 43 of his 50 fee-commanding transfers previously fitting that memo. People mock Dyche at Burnley, but Howe’s record isn’t far from that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, Fantail Breeze said: I don’t think those players are any better than what we have, excluding Tripper. Wood, Henderson, Burn. Think there is better value elsewhere too. Also his transfer record at Bournemouth was limited because of his weird obsession with British buys. Not convinced he’s the man to kick us on unless the transfer dealings are taken away from him. Wood is better then Gayle and gives us a different dimension in attack, not better then Wilson but he's out for 8 weeks and we where desperate. Burn would walk straight into our defense, knows the league, and for £15M would be a sensible if not unspectacular signing. Henderson I don't really know much of admittedly, however he was Man United's Number one last season until he got COVID, so must have something about him. We've also been heavily linked with other players from outside the domestic leagues, and put in record bids for 2 CB's to say "Howe loves a British transfer" seems a bit odd. There is also no evidence that he's the one leading the charge on transfers, in fact it was reported for this Windows its being run as a group with Nickson, Rueban, Staveley and Howe, working together. Howe's transfer record got Bournemouth from bottom of League 2 to 5 years in the Premier League, there was a couple of naff buys in his last 2 seasons, but most Bournemouth fans have said he's pretty astute in the market. I do however 100% agree with there being better value elsewhere, and going forward that is where I see us focusing our transfers, but in January, with us being in the relegation we can't afford to give players a month to bed in, we need players to hit the ground running, and know how the league operates, so buying from within is perfectly acceptable in this circumstance, and is what i'd probably look to do in a similar position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, gdm said: Tbh I think why they are asking for money for lingard is pretty obvious because he’d just leave for free. apparently we enquired about loaning Martial and we’re quoted £6m loan fee. Sevilla ended up loaning him with no loan fee I don’t think we ever enquired for martial, so doubt we got quoted a loan fee. He’s always wanted to go to Sevilla- it’s been highly publicised that it was there or nowhere. But who knows for sure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 The Wood slander continues. He's from about as far away from Britain as you could possibly be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Nearly went there in the summer before Darlow was out along with Dubravka? Makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: No, just making a link between shit British players (or those from a PL club) being linked to us and his record of 43 of his 50 fee-commanding transfers previously fitting that memo. People mock Dyche at Burnley, but Howe’s record isn’t far from that. You do have a point mind. If he is planning on staying here long term, he will have to change his mindset from safety buys. Bigger expectations brings bigger signings and egos and it’s something he will have to deal with to be around long term. Sure he will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: I don’t think we ever enquired for martial, so doubt we got quoted a loan fee. He’s always wanted to go to Sevilla- it’s been highly publicised that it was there or nowhere. But who knows for sure? We were definitely linked with him. Who knows if we enquired? It only takes a phone call Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Wood was better than what we already had by virtue of the fact there were no fit strikers in the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: Don't think Henderson is any better than Dubravka. I struggle to think of a worse starting keeper in the league than Dubravka. I'd even rather have Krul, who we let go for nowt. Dubs is not the keeper he was under Rafa. Injury and confidence has ruined him. No one has any confidence in him and this just brings uncertainty which leads to errors and goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 I'd be surprised if Howe has had much say in our individual targets. Trippier probably the only difference as he knows him previously so probably had a few chats with him beforehand. He was probably involved in pinpointing what positions need improving and then leave it to the scouts/board/agents to identify who is available while he focuses on those already here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: No, just making a link between shit British players (or those from a PL club) being linked to us and his record of 43 of his 50 fee-commanding transfers previously fitting that memo. People mock Dyche at Burnley, but Howe’s record isn’t far from that. Feels like a weird stick to hit him with though. The main 2 signings of out of those 50 that people use to argue his signings were shite are Solanke and Ibe. Solanke, while shit in the Prem, is Bournemouth's top scorer atm. Ibe, admittedly, was shit. But no manager in world football gets their transfers 100% right, especially when working with constraints of being a very small club like Bournemouth. And given we've got a player like Bruno, tried very hard for Carlos, Botman, feels like a bizarre thing to bring up. The British players we have been linked with will improve us as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, joeyt said: I'd be surprised if Howe has had much say in our individual targets. Trippier probably the only difference as he knows him previously so probably had a few chats with him beforehand. He was probably involved in pinpointing what positions need improving and then leave it to the scouts/board/agents to identify who is available while he focuses on those already here Given we have basically zero structure on the football side I’d be shocked if all of these signings weren’t Howe’s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Dokko said: I struggle to think of a worse starting keeper in the league than Dubravka. I'd even rather have Krul, who we let go for nowt. Dubs is not the keeper he was under Rafa. Injury and confidence has ruined him. No one has any confidence in him and this just brings uncertainty which leads to errors and goals. Daft Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, r0cafella said: Given we have basically zero structure on the football side I’d be shocked if all of these signings weren’t Howe’s. Have we ? All scouts and the likes of Nickson disappear with Ashley ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Given we have basically zero structure on the football side I’d be shocked if all of these signings weren’t Howe’s. Have we ? All scouts and the likes of Nickson disappear with Ashley ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, madras said: Have we ? All scouts and the likes of Nickson disappear with Ashley ? Scouts are responsible for drawing up targets not deciding which ones to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, joeyt said: I'd be surprised if Howe has had much say in our individual targets. Trippier probably the only difference as he knows him previously so probably had a few chats with him beforehand. He was probably involved in pinpointing what positions need improving and then leave it to the scouts/board/agents to identify who is available while he focuses on those already here Pretty sure I've read we're working by committee, with Howe and Tindall having a significant input. It's not much of a stretch to assume the domestic targets by and large are Howe's picks moreso than the others, especially as some of the foreign targets have been described as on our radar for some time. Edited January 30, 2022 by Barnes23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 From what I remember our scouting system even under Ashley was pretty good. Found some decent players especially in Europe t the syart of their carwers I'd never heard of, problem was we wouldn't pay the going rate for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Scouts are responsible for drawing up targets not deciding which ones to buy. We've decided to buy Carlos, Botman, Guimares etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, reefatoon said: You do have a point mind. If he is planning on staying here long term, he will have to change his mindset from safety buys. Bigger expectations brings bigger signings and egos and it’s something he will have to deal with to be around long term. Sure he will. Exactly. This is the point I’m trying to make. It’ll probably be fine now, because all we’re trying to do is survive. But in order to progress he’ll have to move away from his previous style. 4 minutes ago, joeyt said: I'd be surprised if Howe has had much say in our individual targets. Trippier probably the only difference as he knows him previously so probably had a few chats with him beforehand. He was probably involved in pinpointing what positions need improving and then leave it to the scouts/board/agents to identify who is available while he focuses on those already here Howe is reportedly bringing in his nephew, who specialised in domestic scouting at Bournemouth. Regardless of whether Howe has any say or none, he’s clearly trying to surround himself with his previous arrangements at Bournemouth. This one being a domestic scout. 2 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: Pretty sure I've read we're working by committee, with Howe and Tindall having a significant input. It's not much of a stretch to assume the domestic targets by and large are Howe's picks moreso than the others, especially as some of the foreign targets have been described as on our radar for some time. Plus this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 So Dan Burn coming in today gives us time to get an attacker or ando’s surprise in tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, gdm said: So Dan Burn coming in today gives us time to get an attacker or ando’s surprise in tomorrow Is Ando7 really Andy Carroll btw? Or is that tongue in cheek? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, gdm said: Tbh I think why they are asking for money for lingard is pretty obvious because he’d just leave for free. apparently we enquired about loaning Martial and we’re quoted £6m loan fee. Sevilla ended up loaning him with no loan fee There was article in the Athletic which alluded to their owners wanting us relegated as they are scared about our financial power. Smell the fear coming from New York via Newton Heath. Fucking hilarious. Maybe the Glazers should spend less time concerned with Newcastle United and get their own rancid cesspit of a house in order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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