Nobody Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, Comegetasample said: Dummett constitutes the 9th defender in the squad i think, who fills both a full back and centre back spot. Ideal squad composition should be around 9 defenders, 2 RBs (we have) 4 CBs (we have or will have) 2 LBs (we don't have) plus 1/2 versatility players who can fill anywhere along the back. Wonder who will get peddled out of Manquillo and Krafth for the second RB slot? I would rather keep both of them than Dummett, and Krafth as the right hand side utility over Dummett, but then Dummett fills a home grown spot up as well, so understand going with him. I Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, Comegetasample said: Dummett constitutes the 9th defender in the squad i think, who fills both a full back and centre back spot Won’t dig this hole too far down but… he is only ever fit enough to ‘fill’ either of those positions for 3 games a season and he’s nowhere near good enough at the task either. No point having players in the 25 man squad just existing like Dummett. All players should be competitive and ready to come in when needed. Waste of a squad place. Foreign market is easy pickings for squad players at reasonable prices; Zinchenko (£2m although years ago), Tsimikas (£10m), Sarr (free), Masuaku (£6m). Not every signing we make needs to be a Bruno. Even one (but hopefully two) of those (£30-£40m) with additional squad players to phase out crap like Dummett would be sufficient to see us take the next step. They don’t need to be an exceptional talents. Just someone competent at the job with potential to grow. Players will move because even being a squad player for us is likely to be a wage increase, plus the potential if they do well when called upon. I still worry about Howe’s influence in the transfer market, hopefully there is a structure in place asap - kinda crazy none of that is in place yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, JNK said: I'd go for Antony instead of Raphinha, both are great and antony is younger. Both would be amazing signings for the toons I’d love Antony here Get it done! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Nobody said: Wonder who will get peddled out of Manquillo and Krafth for the second RB slot? I would rather keep both of them than Dummett, and Krafth as the right hand side utility over Dummett, but then Dummett fills a home grown spot up as well, so understand going with him. I Willock, Wilson, Gillespie/Darlow (assuming only one stays), Shelvey, Longstaff, Lascelles, Burn, Trippier all count towards home grown spots - that’s even before we consider anyone potentially coming in. Not expecting many of that group to leave - they certainly shouldn’t ahead of Dummett. Even if any of them left, Targett (if he comes back), Wood (if he stays) both count too. And as I said it’s probable some incomings will count towards the quota. Nonsense we need to keep Dummett for that purpose, just a complete waste of a space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Even if any of them left, Targett (if he comes back), Wood (if he stays) both count too. Wood is home grown? I'm not advocating for Dummett to stay on at all (I don't actually think he will, or at least not be part of the 25 man squad), was just thinking out loud really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just now, Nobody said: Wood is home grown? I'm not advocating for Dummett to stay on at all (I don't actually think he will, or at least not be part of the 25 man squad), was just thinking out loud really. According to the PL list, aye. It’s based on if you played in England for 3 years before you were 21, or something like that… I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) I wasn't keen on Dummett getting a new deal but I get the impression he's been signed on largely for continuity and character's sake in the dressing room as we move forward into a new era. With the injuries he's had he was probably looking at almost Carroll style pay as you play level deals from Champo clubs if he left - so will now be on very low wages by PL standards. A very cheap 25th man does allow more scope for salary to be spent elsewhere. But it also wouldn't even surprise me if he ultimately got left out of the squad depending on how things go recruitment wise. Edited May 23, 2022 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: According to the PL list, aye. It’s based on if you played in England for 3 years before you were 21, or something like that… I think. Fair enough, didn't know he had been in England that long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Was Dubravka really bad under Bruce or something? I've only known him as a generally very consistent safe pair of hands tbh. I don't think he's been the same since that long injury. He's never been great at crosses, but he was an excellent shot-stopper. Now, he's more prone to spilling the odd one. He just isn't radiating the same confidence, and it does look like a new keeper is a priority for Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nemtizz Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) This is brand new infomation. Edited May 23, 2022 by nemtizz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, LV said: I’d love Antony here Get it done! Looks a bag of tricks and great left foot. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OeydAiYee84 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: Willock, Wilson, Gillespie/Darlow (assuming only one stays), Shelvey, Longstaff, Lascelles, Burn, Trippier all count towards home grown spots - that’s even before we consider anyone potentially coming in. Not expecting many of that group to leave - they certainly shouldn’t ahead of Dummett. Even if any of them left, Targett (if he comes back), Wood (if he stays) both count too. And as I said it’s probable some incomings will count towards the quota. Nonsense we need to keep Dummett for that purpose, just a complete waste of a space. The rule is different for European football, we'll need to have at least 4 players in the squad that have spent three years with us between 15 and 21, incomings won't count towards that (other than Toney maybe). The only players in our current first team squad that meet the European homegrown rule are Dummett, Longstaff and Langley. Edited May 23, 2022 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: The rule is different for European football, we'll need to have at least 4 players in the squad that have spent three years with us between 15 and 21, incomings won't count towards that (other than Toney maybe). The only players in our current first team squad that meet the European homegrown rules are Dummett, Longstaff and Langley. Yes sir, 100% true. I guess the question is as follows: "Is the squad being constructed with the assumption it's Europa League at least next year? If yes, then that is a factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) I guess we're hoping Elliot Anderson has made the grade by the season after this coming one for the HG quota. Edited May 23, 2022 by Skeletor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: The rule is different for European football, we'll need to have at least 4 players in the squad that have spent three years with us between 15 and 21, incomings won't count towards that (other than Toney maybe). The only players in our current first team squad that meet the European homegrown rule are Dummett, Longstaff and Langley. De bolle ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, madras said: De bolle ? I don't think he's in the first team squad, not on the club website anyway. If/when we get into Europe we could just stick u21 players in the 25 man squad to meet the quota, but that would be wasting squad places if they're not up to actually playing. Edited May 23, 2022 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Whatever happens with outgoings, I sincerely hope we have plans to develop the youth system and send a few out on loan. Would like to see the Ashley apologist 'loan manager' given his P45 too. About as effective in that job as he was as a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: I don't think he's in the first team squad, not on the club website anyway. If/when we get into Europe we could just stick u21 players in the 25 man squad to meet the quota, but that would be wasting squad places if they're not up to actually playing. He's been on the bench a few times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Can see c.150m being spent on: A GK A LB A CB A CM A Winger A CF That leaves us plenty of wiggle room next year if we qualify for Europa League and probably allows us to move 7-8 on and have a decent enough 25 man squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, BlazeT44 said: Can see c.150m being spent on: A GK A LB A CB A CM A Winger A CF That leaves us plenty of wiggle room next year if we qualify for Europa League and probably allows us to move 7-8 on and have a decent enough 25 man squad. I presume that's including a couple of loans, because If we want 6 players for those positions, of the required quality and on full transfers, then it's going to cost a lot more than 150 million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, madras said: He's been on the bench a few times. He's under 21 so he doesn't need to be registered in the squad to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: I presume that's including a couple of loans, because If we want 6 players for those positions, of the required quality and on full transfers, then it's going to cost a lot more than 150 million My maths says it would work out to be 25m each player - considering Henderson, Ekitike, Raphina, every striker cost more than that... yeah! A lot more. Outgoings might add up to perhaps 30m, raising the average to only 30m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Yep - both real valid points. I do think it'll be c.150m net, closer to 175m total. I was focussing on the earlier posts stating that 200m would count towards 68m or so in FFP terms? I could honestly see it being this high IF the right players come along (i.e. Phillips, Paqueta, Botman etc). My guestimate considers triggering Targett's 12m fee (we've already paid 3m?). I don't think we're in the run in for Raphina to be honest, and don't see us paying 30-40m for Henderson, personally -- despite the rumours. Given the above we'd be looking at: GB - 25m LB - 12m CB - 30m CM - 35m Winger/AM - 40m CF - 30m (rumoured Ekitike fee) All pie in the sky until we get 1 or 2 signatures and we can see the way we're heading. Still, it's great fun to be in this position! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 My list 1. Paqueta 60m 2. Lodi 30m 3. Targett 15m 4. Dennis 15m 5. Sarr 30m 6. Diego Carlos 35m 7. Henderson loan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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