gbandit Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 The thing is, I totally agree that each set of fans knows way more about their own players and manager than anyone else looking in and should be trusted but then I look on Twitter and a good number of NUFC fans talk about how Pardew should be remembered as a good manager here. If you compare that to here where everyone accepts he was a disgrace then it makes it a difficult argument about which fans you can trust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Just now, STM said: I think the key is to take fans opinion into account on players. We've been wrong quite a few times. Sissoko and Wijnaldum were both given really bad reviews by us, but Wijnaldum in particular just needed the correct coaching. Milner was labelled as shite, wrongly. Scott Parker was seen as shite but was actually being played wrong. And so on and so on. I constantly now check myself or used to when it comes to our own players due to how shite we’ve been and how shite the coaching has been. Just look at Joelinton who IIRC I labelled the worst striker we’ve ever had, now he’s become a top player for us, albeit in a different position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 minute ago, gbandit said: The thing is, I totally agree that each set of fans knows way more about their own players and manager than anyone else looking in and should be trusted but then I look on Twitter and a good number of NUFC fans talk about how Pardew should be remembered as a good manager here. If you compare that to here where everyone accepts he was a disgrace then it makes it a difficult argument about which fans you can trust Yeah but Pardew provided one season of excitement and some great moments, which some fans choose to remember. If you did a vote, I'd wager 60/70% of fans thought he was shite. Which would be about right. Thing is with Pardew though, just go and get the opinion of all the clubs he's managed. That will clear things up nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, gbandit said: The thing is, I totally agree that each set of fans knows way more about their own players and manager than anyone else looking in and should be trusted but then I look on Twitter and a good number of NUFC fans talk about how Pardew should be remembered as a good manager here. If you compare that to here where everyone accepts he was a disgrace then it makes it a difficult argument about which fans you can trust People often just look at the stats like finishing 5th means good or Bruce equaling Rafa points/position/safety wise means just as good. That’s what’s so good about this place as people analyse stuff in depth and sometimes too deeply, but it’s needed for clarity and true reflection. I remember getting hammered off my mate’s when we finished 5th under Pardew for saying we often played poorly, that we lucked it and relied on the purples more than any football acumen from Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) Some people thought we were excellent for most of the 5th season, I remember us nicking so many wins and hanging for dear life in many. Semantics. Edited May 20, 2022 by neesy111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 It would have helped Pardews legacy massively if he wasn't such a cunt. Roeder steered us to 7th and is subsequently viewed in higher regard because Roeder was a cracking fella. Ultimately both were shite managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Some people thought we were excellent for most of the 5th season, I remember us nicking so many wins and hanging for dear life in many. Semantics. Swansea away sticks out. We were awful but Papiss nicked it. It was sublime shithousery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 At least Roeder knew who he was, he was just a guy who'd gotten lucky in football but as you say, he was a really decent bloke on top of that. Pardew was a cunt with no ability and thought he was an excellent manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, gbandit said: At least Roeder knew who he was, he was just a guy who'd gotten lucky in football but as you say, he was a really decent bloke on top of that. Pardew was a cunt with no ability and thought he was an excellent manager He was a good player wasnt he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 minute ago, STM said: Swansea away sticks out. We were awful but Papiss nicked it. It was sublime shithousery. The 0-2 game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 minute ago, joeyt said: The 0-2 game? Aye, I may have mis remembered. There was definitely one game where we were awful. Cisses chip in that game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I don't remember us being awful in that one. I remember us letting them have possession, pressing them when it went into their wingers and then hitting them pretty clinically on the break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, STM said: Aye, I may have mis remembered. There was definitely one game where we were awful. Cisses chip in that game though. I think that is the match you mean; https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/507052/Live/England-Premier-League-2011-2012-Swansea-Newcastle The stats were outrageous but I recall they didn't threaten us at all. Was peak Rodgers/Swansea empty possession. Similarly though on the shithousery I can't deny that Simpson and Raylor using Stoke's towels before every throw in that (I think) same season filled me with immense glee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Manxst Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, TK-421 said: Good. It won’t change any league standing but EFC shouldn’t be allowed to get away with their financial irresponsibilities (especially when we are supposedly under so much scrutiny). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 A 39 points deduction would be appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 PL will find them guilty and say that it would be wrong to punish the fans via point deduction. That’s how it historically works when a smaller team has a grievance with a larger team breaching rules Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 3 hours ago, neesy111 said: Some people thought we were excellent for most of the 5th season, I remember us nicking so many wins and hanging for dear life in many. Semantics. We've done the same during this run largely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Likelylad said: I said something pretty similar on Twitter and got some Scouse tosser saying if that’s the case all Geordies are the same due to Roaul Moat shooting a copper in the face. I mean his point. However misguided, would have a slight bit more credence if Everton fans hadn’t racially abused Brentford player’s families last week and have a reputation of trying to assault away fans on the regular. Went to Everton away years ago and can honestly say it isn't just one bad apple. From the moment we got off the coach they were awful, starting fights and bother in the pubs before hand for no reason what so ever and then same the craic in the ground till we got back on the coach. One ground I won't ever visit again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I now find myself fully in favour of relegating both Leeds and Burnley, although there does not seem to be a possible way of making this happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Just seen the Lowton red card The game is so different to the one I fell in love with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Just now, The Butcher said: Just seen the Lowton red card The game is so different to the one I fell in love with. Horrible thing is I called it straight away. Ever since that Hayden one a couple of years ago at Leicester I've realised the games gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 17 hours ago, STM said: I think the key is to take fans opinion into account on players. We've been wrong quite a few times. Sissoko and Wijnaldum were both given really bad reviews by us, but Wijnaldum in particular just needed the correct coaching. Milner was labelled as shite, wrongly. Scott Parker was seen as shite but was actually being played wrong. And so on and so on. All 3 were clearly talented players being utilised wrong. All 3 should have been CMs but played different roles for us. It’s rare fans are wrong about a striker or a CB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Well this has been a shite half an hour all round. Rangers 2 up in Extra-Time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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