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10 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said:


It was all over twitter before the 3 o’clocks started.

 

Itll all be forgotten when the league manufacturers them back into the top 6.

 

Have a look at who benefitted most from VAR last season

 

Hint: not us. 

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3 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Not from anywhere reputable. It's handball only if you don't know the rules. There's been plenty of that on here already this season though :lol:

 

Never ever a pen. 

 

What are the rules nowadays? Feel like they change every other weekend depending on who is refereeing.

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3 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

As far as the goalkeeper goes, well we have to give the manager credit for going out and getting Pope. A big part of being a more aggressive attacking team is having a top goalkeeper back there to protect you when you get caught out of position. Just like man City have Ederson do and Liverpool have Allisson do.  One thing Pope has really added is his higher starting position, which allowed him to smother a couple of Man City chances.  Yep, which is why I said he was crucial to the win cos he did things Dubravka can't and also dominated his area (which Dubravka is very hit and miss at). 

 

ASM was a big part of the whole tactical approach. He was purposely left high up the pitch to exploit the space behind Walker and run directly at Stones. He was setup to have that great performance. It wasn't just a random fluke.  I didn't say that it was?

 

We had a higher XG than they did first half and they bettered us in the second half. Our best chances were comparable to theirs. That game could have gone either way IMO. A better XG doesn't guarantee anything.  Yes, the game definitely could've gone either way.  And that's great against Man City.  My concern was just how much we started to surrender in the second half and maybe we had been too intense in the first.

 

Under Rafa we sat in deep when we went up against Man City, and all the Sky commentators would bitch and moan about Rafa doing it , which we all complained about on here, because almost every team did the same thing. Rafa had us exceptionally well drilled and setup well enough to occasionally break, but we definitely sat in deep.  Rafa had clear plans to counter and also a clear plan of when to press higher (70 minutes onwards).  Didn't just sit deep and look lost.  When we played big teams under Rafa, we would know what to do once the ball was won.  This isn't at all relevant to your initial lies about me wanting us to sit deep like Palace did. 

 

Okay, well it seems we disagree about Palace's approach. I don't think they just sit deep and look lost all game. Vieira sets them up to counter as well. I think towards the end of the game today they just got tired, as most teams do when defending against Man City, whether that's pressing them or sitting in deep, it is still taxing.

 

And so when I said you wanted us set up like Palace I was referring to their general counter attacking approach, and not how they might have looked at the end of the game, where you say they were sat deep and looking lost. My point was that even with that more conservative approach tiredness still creeps in and mistakes at the back can start to open up, which leads to goals.

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42 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Wait you actually think that was handball? :lol: how fast do you think humans can react?

 

 

Multiple handballs. I usually hate soft handball penalties but no idea how he survived that sequence.

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And that's why I'm against starting attacks/playing out from the back from the back as your main starting point. See more mistakes with defenders and goalies getting caught on the ball than ever before. Do the ends justify the means? I don't think so. 

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