TheBrownBottle Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) I'm probably going to attract some right pelters here - and it isn't the intent - but Ronaldinho firmly sits in that 'good player but not great' for me. Flat-track bully who never grabbed hold of any 'big' games that I saw. Genuinely world class players do - Maradona, Messi, Zidane, C Ronaldo, real Ronaldo, van Basten etc etc - had some of their best games in the biggest matches. I'd second some of the bigger names listed here *cough Totti cough* but I think I've likely expressed an unpopular enough one! Edited May 9, 2022 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Cronky said: Good shout. Great finisher and tailor-made for that Liverpool side, but the hype has got way too much. 155 goals and 62 assists in 249 games for Liverpool, he's world class. I try to tune out of punditry so I've no doubt missed some overkill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I'd second some of the bigger names listed here *cough Totti cough* Just the 786 apps during a 25-year(!) career for your boyhood club scoring over 300 goals and countless assists. Led Roma to it's third Scudetto and two Italian cup trophies. Won the World Cup and lost the final of the Euros despite being chosen the MotM, in the all star team for both tournaments. Underrated imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) I mean Shearer is obviously a legend at NUFC but I don’t think the word exists to describe what Totti is to historically similarly sized (or even smaller based on trophies) Roma. Edited May 10, 2022 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Ronaldinho's no look sesh at the Bernbeau is enough to never be overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I always think Perez exemplifies the harsh treatment that attacking midfielders/wingers who also can play as strikers get (another example being Rashford, poor as he’s been recently). They don’t play as out-and-out strikers and play positions not much different to wingers that won’t get near to double figures in goals, but don’t get near the same level of criticism. Pretty sure Perez has often played a very similar to role to Fraser and Almiron, who don’t get abuse despite very low goals and assists numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 5 hours ago, kingxlnc said: George Weah seemed overrated - maybe I was too young. But was he really better than Shearer in that title-winning year at Blackburn Rovers where he won Ballon D'or? (1995) can’t have this at all. I absolutely idolized George Weah at that time, he was sensational. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) The Premier League was a poor league back then comparatively Edited May 9, 2022 by triggs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Cronky said: Good shout. Great finisher and tailor-made for that Liverpool side, but the hype has got way too much. Any opinion that you have that isn’t utter shite? Making me yearn for Crumpy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 7 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I'm probably going to attract some right pelters here - and it isn't the intent - but Ronaldinho firmly sits in that 'good player but not great' for me. Flat-track bully who never grabbed hold of any 'big' games that I saw. Genuinely world class players do - Maradona, Messi, Zidane, C Ronaldo, real Ronaldo, van Basten etc etc - had some of their best games in the biggest matches. I'd second some of the bigger names listed here *cough Totti cough* but I think I've likely expressed an unpopular enough one! And rightly so, because that's not true at all. That's trying to rewrite history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 14 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Roy Keane. Underrated if anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 So from this forum we have the following overrated team: Cech Cole Van Dijk Ramos Neville Modric De Bruyne Scholes Ronaldo Pele Messi Subs: Ederson Xabi Alonso Ronaldinho Rooney Salah Could probably beat most teams in history to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Froggy said: So from this forum we have the following overrated team: Cech Cole Van Dijk Ramos Neville Modric De Bruyne Scholes Ronaldo Pele Messi Subs: Ederson Xabi Alonso Ronaldinho Rooney Salah Could probably beat most teams in history to be honest. I love the fact that I'm shaking my head at every one except the one I mentioned - eye of the beholder and all that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fzeK3SQa4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Froggy said: So from this forum we have the following overrated team: Cech Cole Van Dijk Ramos Neville Modric De Bruyne Scholes Ronaldo Pele Messi Subs: Ederson Xabi Alonso Ronaldinho Rooney Salah Could probably beat most teams in history to be honest. That team will do I suppose, if we have to.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 What I found interesting was that there was about 10x as many attackers mentioned as defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Grealish been mentioned ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Norman Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Thomas Müller Inzaghi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, madras said: Grealish been mentioned ? Yes, as a wet haired fanny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, Froggy said: So from this forum we have the following overrated team: Cech Cole Van Dijk Ramos Neville Modric De Bruyne Scholes Ronaldo Pele Messi Subs: Ederson Xabi Alonso Ronaldinho Rooney Salah Could probably beat most teams in history to be honest. In my defence, I only added Van Dijk because he's being called an all time great by sections of the media. He's world class, but that's still overrating him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeepShow4life Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 8 hours ago, St. Maximin said: I always think Perez exemplifies the harsh treatment that attacking midfielders/wingers who also can play as strikers get (another example being Rashford, poor as he’s been recently). They don’t play as out-and-out strikers and play positions not much different to wingers that won’t get near to double figures in goals, but don’t get near the same level of criticism. Pretty sure Perez has often played a very similar to role to Fraser and Almiron, who don’t get abuse despite very low goals and assists numbers. Personally I thought the amazing goals Perez scored papered over the cracks. Everytime I watched him he seemed to constantly give the ball away and not do much then every so often pop up with a worldie out of nowhere. I know he wasn't playing in his preferred position mind. I didn't dislike him as he worked hard etc, just think the money we got for him was amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Generally most English players tend to be overrated, but that’s more hype by the media than anything else. You could make a case for 90% of the England squad are rated more highly than they should be. Think the only exceptions to that which immediately spring to mind are Kane and those who regularly get stick (Maguire, Sterling etc.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 That always used to be the case but I don’t think Mount, Foden, Saka, Philips and Chilwell are particularly overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, McCormick said: That always used to be the case but I don’t think Mount, Foden, Saka, Philips and Chilwell are particularly overrated. This. Under-rated if anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 10 hours ago, The Prophet said: 155 goals and 62 assists in 249 games for Liverpool, he's world class. I try to tune out of punditry so I've no doubt missed some overkill. Kevin Philips won the golden boot not doubting his goal scoring record but don't think his all round game is of a world class player. Often watch Liverpool and not massively Impressed by him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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