Overrated players

[tgarve]

2 minutes ago, dabe said:

Some that come to mind...;

 

Kalvin Philips

Mason Mount

Gary Speed

Ryan Giggs

Matthew Upson

David Seaman

Hugo Lloris

Gokhan Inler

Kelvin Philips is a good player and did great at the euros …

Mount is still 50/50 but does well for Chelsea , 
 

Speed is a fucking legend and was great for us in a team finishing in champions league positions 

 

Giggs, may have tainted himself with his antics , and wasn’t the same towards the end of his career but my god he was good at his peak 

 

Seaman also was a good keeper

 

Lloris has been great this season

 

inler and Upson maybe agree with but don’t remember saying upson was a complete legend like ?

[GEFAFWISP]

6 minutes ago, tgarve said:

Kelvin Philips is a good player and did great at the euros …

Mount is still 50/50 but does well for Chelsea , 
 

Speed is a fucking legend and was great for us in a team finishing in champions league positions 

 

Giggs, may have tainted himself with his antics , and wasn’t the same towards the end of his career but my god he was good at his peak 

 

Seaman also was a good keeper

 

Lloris has been great this season

 

inler and Upson maybe agree with but don’t remember saying upson was a complete legend like ?

 

Philips - disagree, he's adequate, hence overrated, usual English inflation.

Mount - same.

Speed - posthumously pedastelled above where he should be rated, a good player with longevity, not great.

Giggs - good but lauded in same tier as some of the best PL players, not for me Clive.

Seaman - decent but shouldn't have 75 caps for England when Tim Flowers and Nigel Martyn exist.

Lloris - perenially overrated, same as Seaman, Mandanda is better.

Inler/Upson - they're overrated, never said they were rated as legends.

[Cronky]

13 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

155 goals and 62 assists in 249 games for Liverpool, he's world class. I try to tune out of punditry  so I've no doubt missed some overkill.

 

A few months ago, some were touting him as the best player in the world, which I thought was overkill. 

[prefabtoon]

ASM.

runs around like a blue arsed fly, getting no where or until he loses possession. 

He then proceeds to blow out of his arse for the remainder of the match, or till Howe pulls him off.

[tgarve]

1 minute ago, prefabtoon said:

ASM.

runs around like a blue arsed fly, getting no where or until he loses possession. 

He then proceeds to blow out of his arse for the remainder of the match, or till Howe pulls him off.

Jury still out on this one- think with Wilson back he will be unlocked again 

[The Prophet]

11 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

A few months ago, some were touting him as the best player in the world, which I thought was overkill. 

 

At that very time he arguably was the form player in the world. It's all subjective though.

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by The Prophet

[Wolfcastle]

Seth Johnson

scammed a career

[Lazarus]

Scott Parker

[gjohnson]

13 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Seth Johnson

scammed a career

Well that was more down to Peter Ridsdale going full Freddy Shepherd and offering him three times more than he was going to ask for

[Flip]

Vinicius Jr.

 

Raphinha and Antony are better players, yet it's Vini who is getting all the plaudits. Take Benzema out of the team and he's still very inconsistent and I'd argue Rodrygo is a better player if played on the left-wing. He's a very good player, but I don't think he'll ever be a top 10-15 player in the world and definitely not a golden ball winner. (be happy to be wrong though  )

[brummie]

Ollie Watkins. 

[triggs]

All those players are better technically than Vinicius but he's just so fast

[toon25]

1 hour ago, Wolfcastle said:

Seth Johnson

scammed a career

Defo a top contender for a ‘footballers you forgot existed’ thread. Add that Michael Johnson that used to play for City to that list too.

[St1pe]

1 hour ago, brummie said:

Ollie Watkins. 

Really!? Always looks a good prospect when I’ve seen him. Although that isn’t a great deal. 

[Holmesy]

16 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I'm probably going to attract some right pelters here - and it isn't the intent - but Ronaldinho firmly sits in that 'good player but not great' for me.  Flat-track bully who never grabbed hold of any 'big' games that I saw.  Genuinely world class players do - Maradona, Messi, Zidane, C Ronaldo, real Ronaldo, van Basten etc etc - had some of their best games in the biggest matches.

 

I'd second some of the bigger names listed here *cough Totti cough* but I think I've likely expressed an unpopular enough one!

 

 

 

He's one of the best players of all time. He turned up in the big international tournaments, the Champions League and he royally took the piss domestically. He was unplayable. I know opinions are like arseholes mate, but your arsehole must stink

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Holmesy

[Hanshithispantz]

Ronaldinho was literally applauded off the pitch at the Bernabeu, he was hardly a flat track bully like 

 

He had great seasons but never had the robotic consistency of someone like Ronaldo, Lewa, or Messi, but on his day he was up there with them.

[Hanshithispantz]

 

Stormed out of the pub crying as a bairn after this.

 

 

[brummie]

1 hour ago, St1pe said:

Really!? Always looks a good prospect when I’ve seen him. Although that isn’t a great deal. 

 

Runs around a lot, frequently usefully, but doesn't score anywhere near as many as he should, misses so many chances.

 

If West Ham want him, as rumoured (although there's no way SG will sell him) for £50m, I'll give him a lift down there.

 

Of the two strikers, I'd take Ings over Watkins.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

Seen him mentioned regards Ronaldinho, but I’m going to suggest John Terry is massively over-rated. He spent far too much time sliding on his backside, making last ditch tackles to be considered a great defender IMHO. Maybe just my opinion but great defenders snuff out danger before it gets to that, via clever jockeying and interceptions and rarely go to ground.

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

Like Sewelley was saying before, any player can be seen as over-rated if the reasons make sense, but some of these reasons make no sense like.

 

John Terry slides around making too many last ditch tackles and didn't read the game enough? Reading the game was surely easily his biggest strength.

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[The Butcher]

All great defenders make/made last ditch tackles. Just because Maldini said some bollocks about defenders tackling two decades ago doesn't make it true. Maldini himself loved a tackle.

 

Tackling is unfortunately a dying art.

[Astroblack]

So Petr Cech was overrated because he had a good defense in front of him but John Terry is also overrated despite being the main component of that defense? 
 

Also Ashley Cole put Terry in his best 11 and I’ll have his opinion over any of yours any day of the week. 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Astroblack

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Astroblack said:

So Petr Cech was overrated because he had a good defense in front of him but John Terry is also overrated despite being the main component of that defense? 
 

Also Ashley Cole put Terry in his best 11 and I’ll have his opinion over any of yours any day of the week. 

 

 

 

 

Different people posting different things.

 

Cech was overrated in my eyes because he was talked about as the one of, if not THE best 'keepers in the world while regularly making 'uncharacteristic errors'

[STM]

I always thought players in the overrated category were players like Coutinho, not fucking Ronaldinho.

[Astroblack]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Different people posting different things.

 

Cech was overrated in my eyes because he was talked about as the one of, if not THE best 'keepers in the world while regularly making 'uncharacteristic errors'

fair enough. Personally I think Cech was a solid keeper. Did well when called upon, won them the Champions League final, was excellent all throughout that campaign. I feel like of all the great PL keepers out there, he probably had to make the least amount of saves to make because of how good the defense was. But when the chips were down like the night in Barcelona, he really showed you what he was made of.