Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[Manxst]

6 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

That wasn’t the argument STM made. If it’s purely a fund raising operation then sure. He’ll bring in money cause he’s a valuable asset. 

The more time he spends on the treatment table, the less valuable an asset he’ll be, to us or any team wanting to take a chance on him.

[Matt1892]

I can see if any decent offer for ASM, Almiron or Wilson comes in then the club will be open to accepting.

[Weezertron]

8 minutes ago, Manxst said:

The more time he spends on the treatment table, the less valuable an asset he’ll be, to us or any team wanting to take a chance on him.

Agreed. True of any player. 

[LFEE]

34 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Would Guendouzi work in our midfield?

Is that the ex-Arsenal player?

[Pata]

2 hours ago, STM said:

 

Oh wey, we can just have a cheerleader in the treatment room, who comes back every six weeks, takes a fortnight to get back up to speed, gives us 3 class games and then gets injured again.

 

That's what CL clubs do. Pep and Klopp would have him out on his arse ASAP. We've no place for carrying mavericks.

 

2 hours ago, STM said:

LB is going to be the hardest position to recruit. Finding a good defender is fine, finding a flying full back is fine but you rarely find both.

 

Need our scouting team to be on the ball.

 

Tierney might be the best bet, if he can prove his fitness.

 

Inside 3 minutes you are saying we need to get rid of ASM due to his fitness and go buy Kieran Tierney.

[STM]

33 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

 

Inside 3 minutes you are saying we need to get rid of ASM due to his fitness and go buy Kieran Tierney.

 

I also said if he can prove his fitness. If he can't then we shouldn't buy him. ASM can't prove his fitness. He's a waste of a shirt.

 

If he has a season next year where he plays 25+ games, I will be the first to admit I'm wrong. 

 

Eddie Howe will sell ASM IMO. If he does, will you still say its incorrect decision?

[STM]

1 hour ago, Weezertron said:

Richie, Dummet, Lewis, Fraser, manquillo, etc etc. 

 

We have a heap of players that barely touch grass but ASM is the one that’s got to go?

 

ASM is a saleable asset and yes, we should let all of them go. We will get pennies for them.

 

If Howe wants to keep Dummett around for his off field influence, I won't argue with that.

 

And just to be clear, I wouldn't want to lose ASM without a replacement. I suggested Harvey Barnes if Leicester go down, that's how the conversation began. Harvey Barnes hasn't got the ability ASM does but he'd contribute waaaay more over a 50+ game season.

[Pata]

47 minutes ago, STM said:

 

I also said if he can prove his fitness. If he can't then we shouldn't buy him. ASM can't prove his fitness. He's a waste of a shirt.

 

If he has a season next year where he plays 25+ games, I will be the first to admit I'm wrong. 

 

Eddie Howe will sell ASM IMO. If he does, will you still say its incorrect decision?

 

ASM in league games:

 

22/23: 21 appearances so far

21/22: 35 appearances

20/21: 25 appearances

19/20: 26 appearances

18/19: 34 appearances

17/18: 31 appearances

16/17: 34 appearances

 

He'll likely hit your non-crock limit of 25 appearances even this season in the league.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Pata

[Yorkie]

By the end of May, ASM will have missed around a third of the season in three of the four that he's been here. That's hopelessly unreliable for an otherwise key player, even if it doesn't qualify as 'crock'. Pre-NUFC means nowt, he's had near-constant muscular issues here ever since he signed, even when he's been fit enough to play. 

[Kanj]

He’s a backup / starting left winger and we should be signing someone who can play there on a consistent basis. And, not sell Maxi. 

[Disco]

5 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

Just watched a highlights vid of this chap and he’s an unbelievably pure finisher, every type of goal. Scored 4 at the weekend too. They were just saying on the Totally Euro pod he’s second only to Mbappe for goals to his age ever in L1.

[SUPERTOON]

Jefferson Lerma on a free linked 

 

 

[KaKa]

16 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Jefferson Lerma on a free linked 

 

 

 

Can't see this one happening. Just being linked because Howe bought him when he was at Bournemouth maybe?

 

Pretty average ball winning midfielder that commits a lot of fouls and isn't very good with the ball, as his touch and passing are not the best.

[Menace]

I'd agree with that. Lerma isn't it. Still annoyed we missed out on Palhinha. Only 20m euros and has been absolutely unreal this season 

[SUPERTOON]

10 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Can't see this one happening. Just being linked because Howe bought him when he was at Bournemouth maybe?

 

Pretty average ball winning midfielder that commits a lot of fouls and isn't very good with the ball, as his touch and passing are not the best.

Yeah I can’t see it, would add depth but not much else 

[Nine]

14 hours ago, Pata said:

 

ASM in league games:

 

22/23: 21 appearances so far

21/22: 35 appearances

20/21: 25 appearances

19/20: 26 appearances

18/19: 34 appearances

17/18: 31 appearances

16/17: 34 appearances

 

He'll likely hit your non-crock limit of 25 appearances even this season in the league.

 

 

 

 

 

The missing context here is how much more intensive our style has become since Howe though, you can see the trend in ASMs availability since Eddies arrival is on a downwards slide already. The way we play has a huge impact on players with susceptibility to their fitness, especially when they have a history of muscle injuries.

 

Fair point, up until Howe he has a good record of consistent appearances. I personally don’t think this is the right place for him to be anymore though, he just isn’t suited to an intense high press and he will continue to get injured (I’d also argue that mentally I think he doesn’t quite fit either but that’s another story). With age and the accumulation of injuries it will only get worse from here, not better. 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Nine

[mighty__mag]

ASM is still a massive player for us, Eddie's not daft he wouldn't sell, he's just been unfortunate this season with injuries, Wilson is the same, but still managed his best goal return in a season and on course to increase it.

 

 

 

 

[Rafalove]

Thing with Maxi is even when fit he never looks 100%. Even at his best he struggles to make 90 minutes. I’ve been a big defender of his, but I don’t think it’s going to work for him here.

[vexred]

If someone bid £40m+ I'd snap their hands off. This summer it's going to be important to move a lot of players on, but also bring in a bit of money to add to the budget. 

[Deuce]

17 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

He's never looked anything like a player who can play at that level to me when I've seen him mind. 

 

Not even sure he's better than Targett tbh.

 

 

 

More dynamic going forward than Targett, and faster, but Targett is far more solid defensively. 
 

Robinson’s found his level imo. 

[Displayname]

1 hour ago, Nine said:

The missing context here is how much more intensive our style has become since Howe though, you can see the trend in ASMs availability since Eddies arrival is on a downwards slide already. The way we play has a huge impact on players with susceptibility to their fitness, especially when they have a history of muscle injuries.

 

Fair point, up until Howe he has a good record of consistent appearances. I personally don’t think this is the right place for him to be anymore though, he just isn’t suited to an intense high press and he will continue to get injured (I’d also argue that mentally I think he doesn’t quite fit either but that’s another story). With age and the accumulation of injuries it will only get worse from here, not better. 

 

 

 

What trend?

Under Eddie Howe he has played 45 out of 61 matches in the premier league. 74%

In the 2 seasons before Howe he played 51 out of 76 matches. 67%

[STM]

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

 

For how many of his "available" games was he coming back from injury? Took him best part of a month to find form and fitness last time.

[Shearergol]

2 hours ago, Menace said:

I'd agree with that. Lerma isn't it. Still annoyed we missed out on Palhinha. Only 20m euros and has been absolutely unreal this season 

 

Now linked with Villa for £60m

[Nine]

3 hours ago, Displayname said:

What trend?

Under Eddie Howe he has played 45 out of 61 matches in the premier league. 74%

In the 2 seasons before Howe he played 51 out of 76 matches. 67%

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/allan-saint-maximin/verletzungen/spieler/272642/plus/1
 

He’s missed 12 games so far this season from hamstring/muscle injuries (the hamstring being a more reoccurring theme in his career), the frequency of these injuries and his missed game time is increasing during his first full season under Howe. Is it a coincidence? Likely not. 
 

The worry is that its multiple muscle or tendon injuries back to back, unlike a maybe freak calf injury that took 11 games in 20/21. 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Nine

[midds]

4 hours ago, Nine said:

The missing context here is how much more intensive our style has become since Howe though, you can see the trend in ASMs availability since Eddies arrival is on a downwards slide already. The way we play has a huge impact on players with susceptibility to their fitness, especially when they have a history of muscle injuries.

 

Fair point, up until Howe he has a good record of consistent appearances. I personally don’t think this is the right place for him to be anymore though, he just isn’t suited to an intense high press and he will continue to get injured (I’d also argue that mentally I think he doesn’t quite fit either but that’s another story). With age and the accumulation of injuries it will only get worse from here, not better. 

 

 

 

Agree with that. Another thing to consider is his contract, age and value. He's been here 4 years and still has 2 years to go on his deal, we're going to have to make a decision to extend his deal when he'll be 28 or try and get the maximin most we possibly can. Letting it run another summer means his value will go down as he inches closer to summer '25. 

 

His book value will be rather low right now I'd imagine too. Bought for £18m (ish), 2/3 of the way through his contract, probably 'worth' only £6m on the books with amortisation. Selling him this summer for £30m (or whatever) would be a bit of a shot in the arm for the financial side of things I'd imagine? Think that's how it works but happy to be corrected. If we're going to move him on then dong it this summer seems like the very best time to do it. Could well be best for all parties concerned. His next contract, here or elsewhere, will need to be his best one from his point of view too.