Infinitely Content Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 He does have a point imo, obviously it's a pretty simplistic take - but whatever tactic you're employing, it's never good enough to stand off and not engage with the ball/pick up second balls (just look at Brighton in the first half against us). Even with our defensive system, when successful it's because we have players like Schar stepping out to be first to loose balls near our area, and then we play. Hayden mopping up anything through the centre, then working it out wide or dropping it back into to Schar to build. You look back to the Arsenal game recently, where we just didn't engage with the ball anywhere near enough and whatever the game plan was went out of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 https://talksport.com/football/535922/liverpool-police-barcelona-pushed-fountain-fans/ Liverpool have condemned the actions of supporters filmed pushing locals into a fountain in Barcelona ahead of the club’s Champions League semi-final at Camp Nou. The Premier League club also confirmed they are working with police to identify those involved in multiple incidents which have been brought to light due to footage being shared on social media. Jurgen Klopp’s side take on Barcelona this evening in the first leg of their last-four tie, but a group of travelling fans marred the build-up on the eve of Wednesday’s fixture. One was filmed pushing an elderly man, who appears to be Asian, into a fountain at what is understood to be Placa Reial square. The victim was then called ‘Mr Miyagi’ by another supporter in an apparent racial assault. A second video showed another local being rugby tackled into the water by a different fan. Nice bunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 small minority of football fans in being complete arseholes shocker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 small minority of football fans in being complete arseholes shocker Of course. Although the fact the rest of the crowd can be heard cheering doesn't help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 He does have a point imo, obviously it's a pretty simplistic take - but whatever tactic you're employing, it's never good enough to stand off and not engage with the ball/pick up second balls (just look at Brighton in the first half against us). Even with our defensive system, when successful it's because we have players like Schar stepping out to be first to loose balls near our area, and then we play. Hayden mopping up anything through the centre, then working it out wide or dropping it back into to Schar to build. You look back to the Arsenal game recently, where we just didn't engage with the ball anywhere near enough and whatever the game plan was went out of the window. Brighton were god awful in the first half against us because they employed the wrong tactics against us; we hate being pressed quickly and they gave the likes of Shelvey and Schar time and space on the ball to pick out the passes they wanted to, they treat us like we were a top six side. I don't think it was a case of all of their outfielders just didn't get out of the ball because they chose not to. What Souness is saying is just really shortsighted imo, you make a good point about engaging with the second balls which is something our centre halves and Rondon do particularly well, but he was essentially saying 'close the ball down, want it more than the other team and you're on the front foot'. I'm fairly sure Rafa didn't tell our lads to 'get out to the ball first' when we beat Manchester City, he would've went with tactics first. Like most managers would do, particularly foreign managers where focus is on tactical setups and reading what the opposition can do rather than the 'get stuck in' culture in this country that still resonates with many for some reason. At Arsenal it wasn't a case of us engaging with the ball when out of possession or on the second balls, we were just utterly rancid on the ball when we won it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 BULL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 He does have a point imo, obviously it's a pretty simplistic take - but whatever tactic you're employing, it's never good enough to stand off and not engage with the ball/pick up second balls (just look at Brighton in the first half against us). Even with our defensive system, when successful it's because we have players like Schar stepping out to be first to loose balls near our area, and then we play. Hayden mopping up anything through the centre, then working it out wide or dropping it back into to Schar to build. You look back to the Arsenal game recently, where we just didn't engage with the ball anywhere near enough and whatever the game plan was went out of the window. Brighton were god awful in the first half against us because they employed the wrong tactics against us; we hate being pressed quickly and they gave the likes of Shelvey and Schar time and space on the ball to pick out the passes they wanted to, they treat us like we were a top six side. I don't think it was a case of all of their outfielders just didn't get out of the ball because they chose not to. What Souness is saying is just really shortsighted imo, you make a good point about engaging with the second balls which is something our centre halves and Rondon do particularly well, but he was essentially saying 'close the ball down, want it more than the other team and you're on the front foot'. I'm fairly sure Rafa didn't tell our lads to 'get out to the ball first' when we beat Manchester City, he would've went with tactics first. Like most managers would do, particularly foreign managers where focus is on tactical setups and reading what the opposition can do rather than the 'get stuck in' culture in this country that still resonates with many for some reason. At Arsenal it wasn't a case of us engaging with the ball when out of possession or on the second balls, we were just utterly rancid on the ball when we won it back. Can't argue with much of that tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 https://talksport.com/football/535922/liverpool-police-barcelona-pushed-fountain-fans/ Liverpool have condemned the actions of supporters filmed pushing locals into a fountain in Barcelona ahead of the club’s Champions League semi-final at Camp Nou. The Premier League club also confirmed they are working with police to identify those involved in multiple incidents which have been brought to light due to footage being shared on social media. Jurgen Klopp’s side take on Barcelona this evening in the first leg of their last-four tie, but a group of travelling fans marred the build-up on the eve of Wednesday’s fixture. One was filmed pushing an elderly man, who appears to be Asian, into a fountain at what is understood to be Placa Reial square. The victim was then called ‘Mr Miyagi’ by another supporter in an apparent racial assault. A second video showed another local being rugby tackled into the water by a different fan. Nice bunch. Two semi finals in a row they’ve acted like dicks now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Iker casillas has had a suspected heart attack, in stable condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Hope he's OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Iker casillas has had a suspected heart attack, in stable condition. Horrible. Hope he recovers well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 https://talksport.com/football/535922/liverpool-police-barcelona-pushed-fountain-fans/ Liverpool have condemned the actions of supporters filmed pushing locals into a fountain in Barcelona ahead of the club’s Champions League semi-final at Camp Nou. The Premier League club also confirmed they are working with police to identify those involved in multiple incidents which have been brought to light due to footage being shared on social media. Jurgen Klopp’s side take on Barcelona this evening in the first leg of their last-four tie, but a group of travelling fans marred the build-up on the eve of Wednesday’s fixture. One was filmed pushing an elderly man, who appears to be Asian, into a fountain at what is understood to be Placa Reial square. The victim was then called ‘Mr Miyagi’ by another supporter in an apparent racial assault. A second video showed another local being rugby tackled into the water by a different fan. Nice bunch. Two semi finals in a row they’ve acted like dicks now Won’t be their fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Iker casillas has had a suspected heart attack, in stable condition. No. Get well, GK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Iker casillas has had a suspected heart attack, in stable condition. No. Get well, GK. He’s a Toon fan - all the best Iker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Wish a full and speedy recovery. Hopefully this is just a scare and nothing more serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 14 years since Messi's 1st goal. 600+ goals later.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Real man Graeme Sou Souey Sou Sou Souness showing why he isn't a manager anymore. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Funniest thing I've ever seen, what a muppet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 To be fair he’s right, look at how it went for us because we didn’t get to the ball first... In many ways a lot of what him and Keane say is spot on, but it’s the basics which the like of them place everything on over anything else. It’s default schoolboy stuff which they drum into players as the way to play from start to finish, that’s what wins you games. Erm no! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 It's just so basic. He could just as well have said "shooting wins games" or "passing wins games" Of course there's instances where a team has lost due to lack of commitment, but in most cases losing managers that blames the players for not giving their all are either in denial that they got the tactics wrong, or they don't see/understand what is wrong with their own approach so it has to be something else that is the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Getting to the ball first is really important. That's why people have put so much thought into tactics to help you get to the ball first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Hamza Choudhury charged for making these tweets when he was 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Thank fuck I wasn't on twitter when I was 14 like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 How can you charge someone with something they did before the rules you're accusing them of breaking applied to them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 He was literally 15 as well ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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