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He does have a point imo, obviously it's a pretty simplistic take - but whatever tactic you're employing, it's never good enough to stand off and not engage with the ball/pick up second balls (just look at Brighton in the first half against us). Even with our defensive system, when successful it's because we have players like Schar stepping out to be first to loose balls near our area, and then we play. Hayden mopping up anything through the centre, then working it out wide or dropping it back into to Schar to build. You look back to the Arsenal game recently, where we just didn't engage with the ball anywhere near enough and whatever the game plan was went out of the window.

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Liverpool have condemned the actions of supporters filmed pushing locals into a fountain in Barcelona ahead of the club’s Champions League semi-final at Camp Nou.

 

The Premier League club also confirmed they are working with police to identify those involved in multiple incidents which have been brought to light due to footage being shared on social media.

 

Jurgen Klopp’s side take on Barcelona this evening in the first leg of their last-four tie, but a group of travelling fans marred the build-up on the eve of Wednesday’s fixture.

One was filmed pushing an elderly man, who appears to be Asian, into a fountain at what is understood to be Placa Reial square.

The victim was then called ‘Mr Miyagi’ by another supporter in an apparent racial assault.

A second video showed another local being rugby tackled into the water by a different fan.

Nice bunch.

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He does have a point imo, obviously it's a pretty simplistic take - but whatever tactic you're employing, it's never good enough to stand off and not engage with the ball/pick up second balls (just look at Brighton in the first half against us). Even with our defensive system, when successful it's because we have players like Schar stepping out to be first to loose balls near our area, and then we play. Hayden mopping up anything through the centre, then working it out wide or dropping it back into to Schar to build. You look back to the Arsenal game recently, where we just didn't engage with the ball anywhere near enough and whatever the game plan was went out of the window.

 

Brighton were god awful in the first half against us because they employed the wrong tactics against us; we hate being pressed quickly and they gave the likes of Shelvey and Schar time and space on the ball to pick out the passes they wanted to, they treat us like we were a top six side. I don't think it was a case of all of their outfielders just didn't get out of the ball because they chose not to. What Souness is saying is just really shortsighted imo, you make a good point about engaging with the second balls which is something our centre halves and Rondon do particularly well, but he was essentially saying 'close the ball down, want it more than the other team and you're on the front foot'. I'm fairly sure Rafa didn't tell our lads to 'get out to the ball first' when we beat Manchester City, he would've went with tactics first. Like most managers would do, particularly foreign managers where focus is on tactical setups and reading what the opposition can do rather than the 'get stuck in' culture in this country that still resonates with many for some reason.

 

At Arsenal it wasn't a case of us engaging with the ball when out of possession or on the second balls, we were just utterly rancid on the ball when we won it back. 

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He does have a point imo, obviously it's a pretty simplistic take - but whatever tactic you're employing, it's never good enough to stand off and not engage with the ball/pick up second balls (just look at Brighton in the first half against us). Even with our defensive system, when successful it's because we have players like Schar stepping out to be first to loose balls near our area, and then we play. Hayden mopping up anything through the centre, then working it out wide or dropping it back into to Schar to build. You look back to the Arsenal game recently, where we just didn't engage with the ball anywhere near enough and whatever the game plan was went out of the window.

 

Brighton were god awful in the first half against us because they employed the wrong tactics against us; we hate being pressed quickly and they gave the likes of Shelvey and Schar time and space on the ball to pick out the passes they wanted to, they treat us like we were a top six side. I don't think it was a case of all of their outfielders just didn't get out of the ball because they chose not to. What Souness is saying is just really shortsighted imo, you make a good point about engaging with the second balls which is something our centre halves and Rondon do particularly well, but he was essentially saying 'close the ball down, want it more than the other team and you're on the front foot'. I'm fairly sure Rafa didn't tell our lads to 'get out to the ball first' when we beat Manchester City, he would've went with tactics first. Like most managers would do, particularly foreign managers where focus is on tactical setups and reading what the opposition can do rather than the 'get stuck in' culture in this country that still resonates with many for some reason.

 

At Arsenal it wasn't a case of us engaging with the ball when out of possession or on the second balls, we were just utterly rancid on the ball when we won it back.

 

Can't argue with much of that tbf :thup:

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Liverpool have condemned the actions of supporters filmed pushing locals into a fountain in Barcelona ahead of the club’s Champions League semi-final at Camp Nou.

 

The Premier League club also confirmed they are working with police to identify those involved in multiple incidents which have been brought to light due to footage being shared on social media.

 

Jurgen Klopp’s side take on Barcelona this evening in the first leg of their last-four tie, but a group of travelling fans marred the build-up on the eve of Wednesday’s fixture.

One was filmed pushing an elderly man, who appears to be Asian, into a fountain at what is understood to be Placa Reial square.

The victim was then called ‘Mr Miyagi’ by another supporter in an apparent racial assault.

A second video showed another local being rugby tackled into the water by a different fan.

Nice bunch.

 

 

Two semi finals in a row they’ve acted like dicks now

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Liverpool have condemned the actions of supporters filmed pushing locals into a fountain in Barcelona ahead of the club’s Champions League semi-final at Camp Nou.

 

The Premier League club also confirmed they are working with police to identify those involved in multiple incidents which have been brought to light due to footage being shared on social media.

 

Jurgen Klopp’s side take on Barcelona this evening in the first leg of their last-four tie, but a group of travelling fans marred the build-up on the eve of Wednesday’s fixture.

One was filmed pushing an elderly man, who appears to be Asian, into a fountain at what is understood to be Placa Reial square.

The victim was then called ‘Mr Miyagi’ by another supporter in an apparent racial assault.

A second video showed another local being rugby tackled into the water by a different fan.

Nice bunch.

 

 

Two semi finals in a row they’ve acted like dicks now

 

Won’t be their fault.

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To be fair he’s right, look at how it went for us because we didn’t get to the ball first... In many ways a lot of what him and Keane say is spot on, but it’s the basics which the like of them place everything on over anything else. It’s default schoolboy stuff which they drum into players as the way to play from start to finish, that’s what wins you games. Erm no!

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It's just so basic. He could just as well have said "shooting wins games" or "passing wins games" :lol:

Of course there's instances where a team has lost due to lack of commitment, but in most cases losing managers that blames the players for not giving their all are either in denial that they got the tactics wrong, or they don't see/understand what is wrong with their own approach so it has to be something else that is the issue.

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