Scott McTominay

[Sibierski]

He’s in the perfect team under Conte. Won’t be asked to do stuff he’s not capable of, and can do more of the box crashing.

[Erikse]

17 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

He’s in the perfect team under Conte. Won’t be asked to do stuff he’s not capable of, and can do more of the box crashing.

 

Fair point. He has some qualities that works really well in the right system. Another reason as to why we shouldn't just look at players getting shipped from certain clubs as rejects and dismiss any context.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2024 by Erikse

[Boey_Jarton]

4 hours ago, Erikse said:

Mr. "not elite enough", "Man Utd reject" and "crap player" doing well in Italy so far.

 

 

 

Always rated Mctominay since his performance against Villarreal in the Europa league final - an absolute driving force that day and decent technique too.

 

Somehow labelled a clogger on here

[Dr.Spaceman]

5 hours ago, Erikse said:

Mr. "not elite enough", "Man Utd reject" and "crap player" doing well in Italy so far.

 

 

 

 

[Menace]

So is Lukaku tbf and I wouldn't want him here.

[Erikse]

11 minutes ago, Menace said:

So is Lukaku tbf and I wouldn't want him here.

 

I think McTominay looks better for Scotland than what Lukaku does for Belgium. And to my understanding his spell at Roma wasn't terrible, but it wasn't exactly superb either. His best spell in Italy was years ago, and at that time he could have strengthened most top teams.

 

Not trying to throw more jabs at Longstaff, but people here were saying that McTominay was equal to him. I suppose that this is what Man Utd does to your reputation..

 

 

Edited October 9, 2024 by Erikse

[Coffee_Johnny]

15 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

I think McTominay looks better for Scotland than what Lukaku does for Belgium. And to my understanding his spell at Roma wasn't terrible, but it wasn't exactly superb either. His best spell in Italy was years ago, and at that time he could have strengthened most top teams.

 

Not trying to throw more jabs at Longstaff, but people here were saying that McTominay was equal to him. I suppose that this is what Man Utd does to your reputation..

 

 

 

McTominay or (preferably) Gallagher would have improved us significantly. Almost as if Eddie and crew can spot a player better than we can. 

[Froggy]

It's crazy what a good game or two can do for your reputation. As if people learned nothing from Lingard's purple patch at West Ham.

 

Worth noting there's players excelling or have excelled in Serie A despite being surplus to requirements in the Premier League years prior. Darmian, Young, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Sanchez etc.

 

McTominay is a decent player, but extremely limited, and simply not good enough for teams like Newcastle aspiring to be at the top of the Premier League.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Gallagher is not good enough either. He's an upgrade on Longstaff obviously, but that's what Tonali was signed for. I really didn't want us to sign Gallagher or McT.

[ponsaelius]

He's only played a handful of games for Napoli so far, most of which off the bench 

 

I still think he'd have been a solid enough signing for us though - if a bit uninspiring. Gallagher on the other hand would have been an excellent signing.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2024 by ponsaelius

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

It's crazy what a good game or two can do for your reputation. As if people learned nothing from Lingard's purple patch at West Ham.

 

Worth noting there's players excelling or have excelled in Serie A despite being surplus to requirements in the Premier League years prior. Darmian, Young, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Sanchez etc.

 

McTominay is a decent player, but extremely limited, and simply not good enough for teams like Newcastle aspiring to be at the top of the Premier League.

 

 

You reckon Sancho isn't good enough for a club that wants to compete at the top in the Premier League either? Just curious. I see what you're doing though, basically saying that nomatter how well he does in Napoli, it doesn't matter for anything because it's not the Prem. You say that because you know very well that the performances might (and probably will) continue.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2024 by Erikse

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, Erikse said:

You reckon Sancho isn't good enough for a club that wants to compete at the top in the Premier League either? Just curious. I see what you're doing though, basically saying that nomatter how well he does in Napoli, it doesn't matter for anything because it's not the Prem. You say that because you know very well that the performances might (and probably will) continue.

 

Sancho's issues aren't ability. He's more than good enough for any side. If you gave Sancho a lend of McTominay's mindset, you'd have an elite player.

 

It was a good move for McTominay and I think he'll do well. He's just a decent player in an effective system though. The same way Victor Moses was.

 

If he signed for Newcastle he'd be a slight upgrade on Longstaff but would be a prime candidate to be replaced within 12-18 months. A pointless signing for the likes of Newcastle.

[Erikse]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Sancho's issues aren't ability. He's more than good enough for any side. If you gave Sancho a lend of McTominay's mindset, you'd have an elite player.

 

It was a good move for McTominay and I think he'll do well. He's just a decent player in an effective system though. The same way Victor Moses was.

 

If he signed for Newcastle he'd be a slight upgrade on Longstaff but would be a prime candidate to be replaced within 12-18 months. A pointless signing for the likes of Newcastle.

 

You might be right. But I will say me (and seemingly others) who rates him now also rated him enough to not be against the signing back in 2023. So saying "crazy what a couple of games does to your reputation" makes no sense in this case. If you go back some pages you will find that not everyone thought he was bad, even at your club. So it's not based on a couple of games.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2024 by Erikse

[Kimbo]

If we had McTominay we’d still have the problems of not being able to control possession, being vulnerable to pressing, and a lack of creativity against low blocks.

[JEToon]

I say this even as someone who is Scottish, McTominay is for the most part quite lazy during a game, the thought of wasting genuinely good football players like Bruno and Tonali grafting to get him the odd goal doesn't do much for me. 

[TRon]

If you took away McTominay's goals, how good a player is he? Is his technique good enough to control a midfield area where presumably he plays?

 

 

[mouldy_uk]

12 minutes ago, TRon said:

If you took away McTominay's goals, how good a player is he? Is his technique good enough to control a midfield area where presumably he plays?

 

 

You could say the same for Barnes (though I know his role is different).

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Must be an international break if this shit is coming up again. 

[TRon]

23 minutes ago, mouldy_uk said:

You could say the same for Barnes (though I know his role is different).

 

Well that's the point, his role is different. A wide man is not going to be as influential as a CM. I think Barnes has a bit more to his game anyway, but I'm prepared to hear arguments for McTominay.

[duo]

On 09/10/2024 at 11:27, Erikse said:

Mr. "not elite enough", "Man Utd reject" and "crap player" doing well in Italy so far.

 

 

 

Italian league isn't quite on par with the Premier league 

[TBG]

Would you prefer McTominay and Antony or Longstaff and Miggy

[Erikse]

16 minutes ago, duo said:

Italian league isn't quite on par with the Premier league 

 

I still think just the fact that Napoli and Conte wanted to buy him for that price tells me something though. Not that he is a world beater, but probably better than quite a few players in our startin 11. Obviously we have a few players that are some levels above, but not that many imo.

 

Not that any of this matters, we got Tonali (probably due to the situation he was in), and that seems to turn out well in the end.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2024 by Erikse

[Froggy]

38 minutes ago, TBG said:

Would you prefer McTominay and Antony or Longstaff and Miggy

 

Longstaff and Miggy.

[TheDarkKnight]

On 20/03/2023 at 19:30, TheDarkKnight said:

Hi all. Manchester United and Scotland fan here. Just signed up to give my honest assessment.

 

I'm not entirely sure of your policy on members from rivals, so this might be my first and final post.

 

McTominay isn't an anchorman (no 6). He is more like a box-to-box midfielder. These days midfielders are boxed in and told to do one specific job, so box-to-box midfielders are obsolete, which is one of the reasons why McTominay is so polarized.

 

As for this "he hides from the ball" thing. It's been said for about 3 years and I'm still not clear what it means. How can a player hide from the ball? Sneak off and sit on the bench, without anyone noticing? Hide behind the goals?

 

One Manchester United fan came out with that line and it just snowballed into a ball the size of a glacier.

 

Just yesterday, he made himself available dozens of times, and he wasn't picked out. It's hardly his fault if his team-mates don't pass to him.

 

Besides, let me give you an example of the general online Manchester United fan. On RedCafe (their no 1 site) they have a thread dedicated to Frenkie De Jong. It has close to 2k posts of United fans salivating over him and fawning over him.

 

Even though he is a Barcelona player and will probably never join Manchester United.

 

On RedCafe there's also individual threads dedicated to every squad member. Each thread is full of Manchester United fans criticising and tearing apart their own players. They are the most toxic group of fans.

 

They usually have a couple of scapegoats at a time. Back in the day it was Fletcher and O'Shea. The previous ones were Lingard and Pogba. The recent scapegoats are McTominay and Maguire. When those two leave, the scapegoats will probably be Fred and Antony.

 

Every player gets it in the neck, though, even Bruno and Rashford. So I wouldn't give any credence to the general opinion of United fans. They treat players of other clubs with more respect than their own.

 

McTominay's attributes: opening his legs and running with the ball. Shooting. Keeping it simple and recycling the ball. Tackling and his physicality. Plus he's played at the back from Scotland, so he's versatile.

 

In 2019 in the Quarter finals against Barcelona he won motm. Not bad for someone who apparently hides from the ball

 

As far as "Scott McTominay hides from the ball". It reminds me of what Joseph Goebbels said that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

 

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/scott-mctominay-wins-man-of-the-match-award-after-champions-league-display-against-barcelona

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trawl my posts.

 

Scotland fan here.

 

I told you all that Scott McTominay wasn't a no 6. I said that his best attribute was finishing and I told you that Newcastle should've signed him.

 

I was mocked.

 

I remember someone here saying that he was a league 2 player

 

Yeah. Well. That "league 2 player" is on the cusp of winning Serie A and winning the player of the year award.

 

All the best.

 

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

 

Trawl my posts.

 

Scotland fan here.

 

I told you all that Scott McTominay wasn't a no 6. I said that his best attribute was finishing and I told you that Newcastle should've signed him.

 

I was mocked.

 

I remember someone here saying that he was a league 2 player

 

Yeah. Well. That "league 2 player" is on the cusp of winning Serie A and winning the player of the year award.

 

All the best.

 

You can keep him tah.