Dr Venkman Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Arknor said: Apologies don't work. There have been celebs who apologised for a tweet a decade ago, and then someone drags up the old coals again.... It's better to remain quiet and let the water flow under the bridge, owning your mistakes doesn't help in the digital age Alreet, Rishi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Craig Hope wasn't missing with his questions today mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I wouldn't be surprised if the club made the calculated decision for him to lay low. The people that are already mad at him would've probably said any public apology was an empty gesture and the club forced him to anyway. Is that baseless conjecture? Sure. No more baseless than 'he doesn't seem sorry enough', though. This isn't a call out as I have nowhere near the energy to look at old posts but I'd be interested to know if there's much/any crossover between people that still moan about Tonali and people who'd be happy if we somehow got Toney in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I don't hate the guy , I'm just so hugely disappointed in the way this all transpired and not having the use of a player of his ability. Without doubt, it damaged us as a team this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 7 hours ago, OCOCOL said: I work in gambling too. You should look up the Epic Foundation - company run by former addicts. People in elite sport, the forces, high pressured city jobs have a larger predisposition to harmful gambling behaviours. It’s thought this is in part due to replicating the highs they face in their professions away from work. Yeah, i think this is spot on. Same reason quite a few top athletes struggle with abuse after their carreer. In norway our biggest skistar(Petter Northug) struggled massively after his carreer, and also Claus Lundekvam has been having a rough time. Not gambling i think for both, but it is compareable. We do however have heavily regulated gambling laws. Edited March 29 by matta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCOCOL Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 34 minutes ago, matta said: Yeah, i think this is spot on. Same reason quite a few top athletes struggle with abuse after their carreer. In norway our biggest skistar(Petter Northug) struggled massively after his carreer, and also Claus Lundekvam has been having a rough time. Not gambling i think for both, but it is compareable. We do however have heavily regulated gambling laws. I used to have a job getting assisting off shore operators making gambling payouts in NOK that were using other merchant codes. Norway has a big unregulated black market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, joeyt said: People seem determined to find a reason to really hate him He shouldn't have been betting on football but as has been mentioned before you're giving young lads millions of pounds and surrounding them with constant betting adverts. As far as we know he stopped betting on football immediately after hearing he was under investigation. A young lad, moving to a new country, not knowing the language and suddenly being banned from his profession for a number of months. He's flawed just like every human but he deserves sympathy. If he's continued to bet after the investigation or bet on games he's been involved in then I think it's a different story but the outrage people seem determined to level towards him seems completely unnecessary at this stage Supporters are just organic grievance machines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 5 hours ago, gbandit said: If anything, that just gives more substance to the fact it’s an addiction rather than some form of sneaky insider trading stuff. An addiction throws logical behaviour out the window Yeah, there’s no logic in thinking that an addict would just stop betting after getting a move to another club and country. IMO it would be more likely it just gets worse with all the changes in life and added stress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 41 minutes ago, OCOCOL said: I used to have a job getting assisting off shore operators making gambling payouts in NOK that were using other merchant codes. Norway has a big unregulated black market. Yes, its been huge, and still is! The hazardgames that remain unregulated makes for a huge market. Poker and casino games mainly. Recently they introduced ip-bans, but im no fan of such regulations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, Arknor said: Apologies don't work. There have been celebs who apologised for a tweet a decade ago, and then someone drags up the old coals again.... It's better to remain quiet and let the water flow under the bridge, owning your mistakes doesn't help in the digital age Agree...there will always be someone somewhere who finds fault no matter what he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 5 hours ago, joeyt said: How do you know that? The total lack of any kind of public comment from him (not his agent) since the ban was announced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 30 minutes ago, gjohnson said: The total lack of any kind of public comment from him (not his agent) since the ban was announced That doesn't mean he's not got any guilt or regret. Howe has stated how much he's struggled with it and how cooperative he's been with the whole investigation. That sounds like guilt and regret to me Edited March 29 by joeyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Weird that people think he 'owes' you an apology. There's some needy snowflakes about thinking that you're owed anything from him. He maybe owes Howe an apology, and his teammates. That's it. I crashed a hire van at work the other week, I squared that with my boss but at no point did I think to put out a statement to all our customers to beg their forgiveness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) Indignance is a hell of a drug Edited March 29 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Weird that people think he 'owes' you an apology. There's some needy snowflakes about thinking that you're owed anything from him. He maybe owes Howe an apology, and his teammates. That's it. I crashed a hire van at work the other week, I squared that with my boss but at no point did I think to put out a statement to all our customers to beg their forgiveness. Nee cunt gives a fuck about your van. Hundreds of billions care about NUFC, an institution which Tonali betrayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 18 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Weird that people think he 'owes' you an apology. There's some needy snowflakes about thinking that you're owed anything from him. He maybe owes Howe an apology, and his teammates. That's it. I crashed a hire van at work the other week, I squared that with my boss but at no point did I think to put out a statement to all our customers to beg their forgiveness. Not quite the same thing there. I'm not saying he owes an apology to anyone but the NUFC managment, but you do hear most of the players saying something in the media one way or another...even if just a standard Chronicle puff piece. The only other player I can recall saying less is Schar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 49 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Weird that people think he 'owes' you an apology. There's some needy snowflakes about thinking that you're owed anything from him. He maybe owes Howe an apology, and his teammates. That's it. I crashed a hire van at work the other week, I squared that with my boss but at no point did I think to put out a statement to all our customers to beg their forgiveness. Anyone else initially read this as “crashed a hire van at work, squared up to my boss, didn’t apologise”? 😂😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 26 minutes ago, 54 said: Betting ads in that post advertising free spins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 8 hours ago, gjohnson said: He does deserve a second chance, but he's not been exactly forthcoming with with expressing regret or guilt. I dont realistcally see him playing for use again. Fully expect him to be back at Milan by summer, or on Starkiller base killing Han Solo Eddie says he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 So he goes by "Sandy", and he IS getting quicker. @03:08 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 28/03/2024 at 15:16, joeyt said: He hasn't carried on since being found out. Sounds like he has a serious problem but he stopped immediately when he was investigated Dunno. Feel like he'd have known about investigations when he signed and cracked on anyway. Speculation on my part obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 36 minutes ago, Wilson said: Dunno. Feel like he'd have known about investigations when he signed and cracked on anyway. Speculation on my part obviously. Be curious to know if he bet on Newcastle - remember the yellow at Villa when he just stood when being subbed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 https://theathletic.com/5411357/2024/04/13/premier-league-agent-fees-409m/?source=user_shared_article Take Sandro Tonali, Newcastle United’s £55m signing from AC Milan, who is listed under the ‘contract amendment’ category. Tonali is serving a 10-month ban for breaches of betting rules in football and Dan Ashworth, the club’s former director of football, would not say last November if Tonali’s suspension would bring a wage reduction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 On 29/03/2024 at 19:53, The Butcher said: Nee cunt gives a fuck about your van. Hundreds of billions care about NUFC, an institution which Tonali betrayed. I care about the van Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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