McCormick Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I would have said Andersen was super underrated but the fact that they’re asking 40 million for him means he’s perhaps not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Not sure where Joelinton will play most of his football this season but if all goes expected we basically have to fill the 3 midfield spots and 2 wing positions with... Bruno, Tonali, Longstaff, Joelinton, Willock, Gordon, Barnes, Almiron, Anderson and Murphy. That's really light IMO. Anderson should really be going on loan and Murphy isn't someone I have any interest in seeing as anything other than a shithouse substitute. We really need another winger IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Shak said: Not sure where Joelinton will play most of his football this season but if all goes expected we basically have to fill the 3 midfield spots and 2 wing positions with... Bruno, Tonali, Longstaff, Joelinton, Willock, Gordon, Barnes, Almiron, Anderson and Murphy. That's really light IMO. Anderson should really be going on loan and Murphy isn't someone I have any interest in seeing as anything other than a shithouse substitute. We really need another winger IMO. Like it or not Ritchie has a new contract and will be in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, gdm said: Like it or not Ritchie has a new contract and will be in the squad. Reserve squad hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, gdm said: Like it or not Ritchie has a new contract and will be in the squad. My point was that we basically have 8 players I have any confidence in to rotate between 5 starting positions, Ritchie doesn't add to that at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 We need a long term successor to Schär which can be sorted in the medium term. Schär is our best CB imo, Botman will get better and surpass him but a successor to Schär needs to be in a similar mould in terms of on-the-ball ability and age to Botman. Andersen is not that imo. It'll be abroad we look for, as I say in the medium term. January perhaps but probably next summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 We need a CB so we don't have to drop to lascelles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I don't think that seems too light, Isak can also play out wide, Livramento at a push could. Joelinton, Willock, Bruno generally fit. Barnes plays a lot of games usually, Murphy rarely knacked. Most teams only have a few replacements, Man City used fewest players last season at 22 although exceptional players, we used same as Arsenal, Brighton, Villa and Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Shak said: My point was that we basically have 8 players I have any confidence in to rotate between 5 starting positions, Ritchie doesn't add to that at all. Howe obv has confidence in him or he wouldn’t be in the squad. Ritchie is a winger. I’d love another right winger I just think we’ll use our funds elsewhere. Possibly a left back and centre half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, El Prontonise said: We need a CB so we don't have to drop to lascelles. I agree, though Lascelles was probably the best CB in the 2 games he played in last season which are arguably the toughest fixtures in the calendar; Liverpool and Man City away. Competent at the very least. Of course we need better, though barring an absolute disaster where Schär gets a long term injury I think it's something we can sort out next summer. Especially for the fee it would take to get what basically should be a right sided Botman with FFP and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Ritchie has been kept around for his leadership and personality around the squad and training ground. He’s clearly not going to play a big part this season on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Shak said: Not sure where Joelinton will play most of his football this season but if all goes expected we basically have to fill the 3 midfield spots and 2 wing positions with... Bruno, Tonali, Longstaff, Joelinton, Willock, Gordon, Barnes, Almiron, Anderson and Murphy. That's really light IMO. Anderson should really be going on loan and Murphy isn't someone I have any interest in seeing as anything other than a shithouse substitute. We really need another winger IMO. And up steps Livramento. Hope he’s good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Ritchie has been kept around for his leadership and personality around the squad and training ground. He’s clearly not going to play a big part this season on the pitch. Daft think is for the scant appearance he made in the premier league he actually played really well against Liverpool last season when he came on when we had ten men as well. Not exactly worth a new 5 year contract..... but you'd think the way people gan on he came on and played like Amdy Faye's cousin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 The schar disrespect is insane, he was our best defender last season and thus one of the best in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shak said: Not sure where Joelinton will play most of his football this season but if all goes expected we basically have to fill the 3 midfield spots and 2 wing positions with... Bruno, Tonali, Longstaff, Joelinton, Willock, Gordon, Barnes, Almiron, Anderson and Murphy. That's really light IMO. Anderson should really be going on loan and Murphy isn't someone I have any interest in seeing as anything other than a shithouse substitute. We really need another winger IMO. ST Isak Wilson Gordon Joelinton LF Barnes Gordon Joelinton Isak Willock Anderson RF Almiron Murphy Gordon LCM Joelinton Willock Anderson RCM Tonali Longstaff Miley(?) “DM” Bruno Tonali probably missed a couple of iterations, but I like that there’s a certain interchangeability. RF is where I’d look to upgrade of those listed, and could use depth at DM. Edited July 20, 2023 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Murphy is going to get minutes this season. Howe clearly likes him and I think fans underrate him. probably due to two or three high profile misses with memorable Ando screams and groans. If I were a promoted club with only 20 million to spend on a wide player, I'd be tempted to bid for Murphy if I thought Newcastle would sell. Played exclusively as a winger, I'd trust him to get 5-6 goals and 5-6 assists. He did a fine job deputizing for Miggy a few months ago. For context, Brennan Johnson got 8 goals and 3 assists and he's worth an arm and a leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Shak said: Not sure where Joelinton will play most of his football this season but if all goes expected we basically have to fill the 3 midfield spots and 2 wing positions with... Bruno, Tonali, Longstaff, Joelinton, Willock, Gordon, Barnes, Almiron, Anderson and Murphy. That's really light IMO. Anderson should really be going on loan and Murphy isn't someone I have any interest in seeing as anything other than a shithouse substitute. We really need another winger IMO. I thinks that's our midfield sorted now, Miley and Anderson will be trusted to fill and gaps. Personally I would like to see an attacking left wing back along with Liveramento, which means Burn would drop to center half cover. Edited July 21, 2023 by Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Stottie said: Murphy is going to get minutes this season. Howe clearly likes him and I think fans underrate him. probably due to two or three high profile misses with memorable Ando screams and groans. If I were a promoted club with only 20 million to spend on a wide player, I'd be tempted to bid for Murphy if I thought Newcastle would sell. Played exclusively as a winger, I'd trust him to get 5-6 goals and 5-6 assists. He did a fine job deputizing for Miggy a few months ago. For context, Brennan Johnson got 8 goals and 3 assists and he's worth an arm and a leg. He must have hit the post 8 times. Narrow margins. Is Murphy on relatively cheap wages too? As much as we have seen the ruthless Howe on show with ASM, there is definitely a hint of wanting to give players their go in the CL after last season and not breaking the harmony of the squad. Murphy works hard, is a toon fan, is well liked and counts as a HG. Who knows with this team and Howes coaching though. Up until last year I would have said RW was Miggy's worst position with LW and CAM above RW. I really wanted him played like he was at Atlanta behind the striker. Who knows who might emerge somewhere different next year or who will level up again. Murphy on late season form is somewhat similar to Willock (although more a poundland version) if he could consistently hit the target and score with the chances he creates he would be a monster player and huge asset. I still hope we get a LB, CB and RW/AM. However, Depth wise in the squad, especially if we pick up a few injuries to starters, I would be more concerned with CB and possibly Striker than anywhere else. If Schar and Botman went down, I don't want to be left with Lascelles and Burn. Likewise while they can fill in, I don't want Gordon or Joelinton really filling in up front. It's probably the lesser of two evils with CB being the biggest need. However, out of all the signings we could make on the park, a top quality LB would be the most transformational. I think its pivotal for Barnes too. We have depth at LB in Burn, Targett, Trippier, Dummett and Manquillo (Currently) but its not top level. RW would be a bonus, a younger versatile striker (PL ready) would be an even bigger bonus. Wonder if there actually was genuine interest in Daniel Jebbison? Anyways if we can grab a quality LB and CB with whats left of the window that would be fantastic. Anything on top would be a huge bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, toontownman said: He must have hit the post 8 times. Narrow margins. Is Murphy on relatively cheap wages too? As much as we have seen the ruthless Howe on show with ASM, there is definitely a hint of wanting to give players their go in the CL after last season and not breaking the harmony of the squad. Murphy works hard, is a toon fan, is well liked and counts as a HG. Who knows with this team and Howes coaching though. Up until last year I would have said RW was Miggy's worst position with LW and CAM above RW. I really wanted him played like he was at Atlanta behind the striker. Who knows who might emerge somewhere different next year or who will level up again. Murphy on late season form is somewhat similar to Willock (although more a poundland version) if he could consistently hit the target and score with the chances he creates he would be a monster player and huge asset. I still hope we get a LB, CB and RW/AM. However, Depth wise in the squad, especially if we pick up a few injuries to starters, I would be more concerned with CB and possibly Striker than anywhere else. If Schar and Botman went down, I don't want to be left with Lascelles and Burn. Likewise while they can fill in, I don't want Gordon or Joelinton really filling in up front. It's probably the lesser of two evils with CB being the biggest need. However, out of all the signings we could make on the park, a top quality LB would be the most transformational. I think its pivotal for Barnes too. We have depth at LB in Burn, Targett, Trippier, Dummett and Manquillo (Currently) but its not top level. RW would be a bonus, a younger versatile striker (PL ready) would be an even bigger bonus. Wonder if there actually was genuine interest in Daniel Jebbison? Anyways if we can grab a quality LB and CB with whats left of the window that would be fantastic. Anything on top would be a huge bonus. Definitely agree on the left back and right CB is a concern with injuries. A R CB with pace would be ideal. Seems like Livramento will eventually come in so that’s RB sorted. A young adaptable forward would be good to add strength up front. It’ll be interesting to see how they recruit from here. Edited July 21, 2023 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Shak said: Not sure where Joelinton will play most of his football this season but if all goes expected we basically have to fill the 3 midfield spots and 2 wing positions with... Bruno, Tonali, Longstaff, Joelinton, Willock, Gordon, Barnes, Almiron, Anderson and Murphy. That's really light IMO. Anderson should really be going on loan and Murphy isn't someone I have any interest in seeing as anything other than a shithouse substitute. We really need another winger IMO. You're wondering where big Joe will play then list him with the other TEN players for 5 spots. He'll play there then. Seeing as you're counting the two front wide players in a 433 in your 5 spots you need to add Isak to the list. So that's 11. 12 if we get Tino and Eddie fancies pushing him up there. Anderson is a CM by desire. We'll see how he develops but, again, Eddie rates him and Murphy's just had his best spell. We don't need anymore wingers. Edited July 21, 2023 by Groundhog63 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Assuming - big assumption- that we get Tino in, how many more incomings and what type do we actually need this window? We have to consider team spirit and familiarity of our play/ time for new players to settle. I’d be happy with an addition/ competition at CB and a striker - one for the future type. Together with FFP restraints we’d be able to manage that? Also have to imagine we manage to move one or two more players out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, Tsunami said: Assuming - big assumption- that we get Tino in, how many more incomings and what type do we actually need this window? We have to consider team spirit and familiarity of our play/ time for new players to settle. I’d be happy with an addition/ competition at CB and a striker - one for the future type. Together with FFP restraints we’d be able to manage that? Also have to imagine we manage to move one or two more players out. I reckon one more after Barnes and Livaramento. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Can't see a LB now. I'd say a RCB and a young forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elbee909 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Always sound so knowledgeable after the fact, don't they Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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