buzz Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 19 minutes ago, Moose said: We've had grossly overpriced strikers We've had unfit strikers We've had washed up strikers We've had strikers who can't score But I don't think we've ever had a grossly overpriced, unfit, washed up striker who can't score. Say what you want about Michael Owen (seriously, say what you want) but he was never 4th choice striker halfway through his first season and was actually a serviceable player for some of his time here Albert Luque. Actually now I think of it they're quite comparable. Similar age, bad injury right at the start, then the rest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just now, Wallsendmag said: In what way? It's not like he's ever trusted to play in a match now. In the way that he’s hoping for a positive outcome because it’s an alternate option to saying it’s the worst thing ever, and will cheer when he plays to support him (arguably inserting the “support” in supporter). He hasn’t done what was required but it’s year 1 and seemingly he had a bad injury. If he can’t play the press / execute the strategy then yes it’s ended up a colossal waste of money, you literally win some and lose some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Pound for pound the worst signing in the clubs history as it stands. Summer business will hurt us for a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, MagPar said: He's a Newcastle player and I'll continue to support him until he isn't. Hes showed absolutely nothing for anyone to even remotely support him, all that bollocks about his dream move etc. hes just wandered around the pitch like a fucking superstar whos already made it. Needs to fuck off sharpish for me like if hes shown nothing in training to even get onto the pitch when we're struggling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) I can see him getting loaned out to a Turkish side in the summer. I reckon if we were offered close to our money back for both Wissa and Woltemade Howe would say yes immediately. I don’t think we’ll sell either, but we’ll look to free up a squad place with a loan. Edited March 18 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) Wissa won’t be here next season. we’ll shift him to Saudi I think. Terrible signing. I’ve got nothing to base it on, but he’s a bad egg I reckon. our first major transfer error under the new regime. Edited March 18 by lovejoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Theregulars said: In the way that he’s hoping for a positive outcome because it’s an alternate option to saying it’s the worst thing ever, and will cheer when he plays to support him (arguably inserting the “support” in supporter). He hasn’t done what was required but it’s year 1 and seemingly he had a bad injury. If he can’t play the press / execute the strategy then yes it’s ended up a colossal waste of money, you literally win some and lose some. Fair enough. He needs to show me something to earn my support, even if that is simply putting in some effort on the odd occasion he gets a run out. At the moment I just see him as a huge financial drain. Edited March 18 by Wallsendmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: Fair enough. He needs to show me something to earn my support, even if that is simply putting in some effort on the odd occasion he gets a run out. At the moment I just see him as a huge financial drain. I agree. Everything about him looks off. There’s nothing to support as it stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: Fair enough. He needs to show me something to earn my support, even if that is simply putting in some effort on tbe odd occasionhe gets a run out. At the moment I just see him as a huge financial drain. Absolutely, he’s scored 3 goals but otherwise looked lost and out of form. If we get rid at season’s end he’s certainly up there as one of the worst acquisitions (and the price makes it a serious shout for the worst, but I remember Guivarc’h, Hamilton, Marcelino, Colback etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 He's done here. To not even be used in these times.... Howe has it in for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just now, Theregulars said: Absolutely, he’s scored 3 goals but otherwise looked lost and out of form. If we get rid at season’s end he’s certainly up there as one of the worst acquisitions (and the price makes it a serious shout for the worst, but I remember Guivarc’h, Hamilton, Marcelino, Colback etc) They were pennies in comparison. This lazy twat could be a financial millstone around our neck for a long time to come. Even if he'd just move around a bit and break sweat on the odd occasion he comes on I'd think there's maybe something there I can get behind. Sadly I think his efforts in training mirror his efforts on the pitch which is why he's no longer getting a look in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 7 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Pound for pound the worst signing in the clubs history as it stands. Summer business will hurt us for a long time. I keep reading this but is there any actual evidence for it? My question isn't intended as a disagreement. What does 'hurt us for a long time' mean? ~£140m if we finish in the top half; ~£56m for CL exploits; ~£150m from incoming transfer fees... surely that's going to absorb some of the impact of the Wissa transfer not recovering? All of the other signings are contributing to some extent though Elanga was obviously very expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 It's so weird how he's gone from being such a prolific player to someone who can't even get some petty minutes for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Kind of funny isn't it how we got DR Congo to leave him with us for the AFCON and now as they are about to play a World Cup playoff he's had hardly any minutes in the build up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I keep reading this but is there any actual evidence for it? My question isn't intended as a disagreement. What does 'hurt us for a long time' mean? ~£140m if we finish in the top half; ~£56m for CL exploits; ~£150m from incoming transfer fees... surely that's going to absorb some of the impact of the Wissa transfer not recovering? All of the other signings are contributing to some extent though Elanga was obviously very expensive. Because purchases are amortised over several seasons. So Wissa’s fee costs us about £14m per season for the length of his contract - that isn’t offset in a single season. The amortised fees and wages are sat on the books for a while - and we’re pretty much out of headroom financially. Last summer cripples us, frankly - we need to replace a lot of players and we’re going to need to do something we haven’t done well for a while - shop in the bargain bin. Not even the likely impending sales of Tonali and Livramento will provide enough. edit: I’d argue that not one of the signings last summer were worth what we paid. Not one. Edited March 18 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Still has a chance to be a club legend For Dunston Fed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 13 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I keep reading this but is there any actual evidence for it? My question isn't intended as a disagreement. What does 'hurt us for a long time' mean? ~£140m if we finish in the top half; ~£56m for CL exploits; ~£150m from incoming transfer fees... surely that's going to absorb some of the impact of the Wissa transfer not recovering? All of the other signings are contributing to some extent though Elanga was obviously very expensive. Concentrating on Wissa he’s on a 4 year contract so roughly 14 million per year on the books for PSR, not counting wages. He’s a depreciating asset on big wages, which I would imagine will make him hard to shift. Not sure how new rules impact this compared to PSR but 14 million per year is not an insignificant hit for us, especially if the player is not contributing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Something isn’t right with him, the fact Howe gives him 0 minutes speaks absolute volumes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Moose said: We've had grossly overpriced strikers We've had unfit strikers We've had washed up strikers We've had strikers who can't score But I don't think we've ever had a grossly overpriced, unfit, washed up striker who can't score. Say what you want about Michael Owen (seriously, say what you want) but he was never 4th choice striker halfway through his first season and was actually a serviceable player for some of his time here Owen wasn't awful when he actually played, he got 30 goals (nearly 1 in 2), Wissa is on another level so far, if he does 30 goals for us I'll chew neesy's bike seat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Think it's just a case that the players in front of him have put in better performances. Howe said when he plays he has to show something. He barely touches the ball when he comes on. He was wank in his last three domestic starts v Brentford, Bournemouth and Villa. Mind, I would have expected him to have had more of a chance based on the fee alone. I reckon from what Howe has seen of him in training and on the pitch, he just rates our other options ahead of him and rightly so really. Osula scored that winner v Man Utd and Gordon has been playing well. Woltemade is a different kind of option. Dont think he'll start another game this season unless we have an injury crisis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewel Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Wasn't Wissa a Howe signing? By that, I mean he was someone that Howe specifically identified and wanted brought in? Like with Elanga? Eddie must be regetting the day he ever laid his eyes on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I've not given up hope of him coming good, we have an international break after the weekend and plenty of time on the training pitch between games in the run in. There's time for him to turn his season around if he applies himself and let's Eddie work his magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalloNUFC Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 This deal always felt equivalent to forcing into marrying a girl since u made her pregnant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, HalloNUFC said: This deal always felt equivalent to forcing into marrying a girl since u made her pregnant Who got Wissa pregnant? Was it Trippier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Because purchases are amortised over several seasons. So Wissa’s fee costs us about £14m per season for the length of his contract - that isn’t offset in a single season. The amortised fees and wages are sat on the books for a while - and we’re pretty much out of headroom financially. Last summer cripples us, frankly - we need to replace a lot of players and we’re going to need to do something we haven’t done well for a while - shop in the bargain bin. Not even the likely impending sales of Tonali and Livramento will provide enough. edit: I’d argue that not one of the signings last summer were worth what we paid. Not one. Thiaw and Ramsey both great value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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