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18 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

He's conceded 6 goals in last 4 prem games - when your forwards have to score 2 goals on average per game to have any chance of picking points up then it gives you a hill to climb. Nick popes in comparison is 1.06 goals per game but 22 -24 it was 0.86 average goals per game. In my opinion that's what we need to be getting back to.

 

 

 

You can't do that and make stats fit your point of view. It would work anyway to suit an argument. 

 

For example I bet the opponents XG has been higher in the games which Ramsdale has played which wouldn't be his fault for conceding goals. 

 

He has been at fault for none of the six goals we've conceded in the previous 4 games I don't believe. 

 

We need to be getting back to stats in 22-24 isn't a decent argument, it's like saying we need Shay Given in goal again

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13 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

I've got little interest in us playing a good footballer in nets who can't keep goal. I'd infinitely rather have a good goalkeeper in nets who can't play football.

 

Really don't want him in goal vs the mackems. Aside from just wanting an actual GK in nets for a big game like this, they're not (to my knowledge) a high pressing high tempo team that'll pressure our back line, are they? In which case we need someone with Ramsdale's skillset even less.

John Ruddy it is then.... 

 

Great shout

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20 minutes ago, TopL0ader said:

You can't do that and make stats fit your point of view. It would work anyway to suit an argument. 

 

For example I bet the opponents XG has been higher in the games which Ramsdale has played which wouldn't be his fault for conceding goals. 

 

He has been at fault for none of the six goals we've conceded in the previous 4 games I don't believe. 

 

We need to be getting back to stats in 22-24 isn't a decent argument, it's like saying we need Shay Given in goal again

This one's just raw facts - in those 4 games he's faced 9 shots on target, made 3 saves and conceded 6 goals. I personally don't care about xg etc but in my opinion that's not good enough.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

This one's just raw facts - in those 4 games he's faced 9 shots on target, made 3 saves and conceded 6 goals. I personally don't care about xg etc but in my opinion that's not good enough.

 

 

 

Which ones should he have stopped ?

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36 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

This one's just raw facts - in those 4 games he's faced 9 shots on target, made 3 saves and conceded 6 goals. I personally don't care about xg etc but in my opinion that's not good enough.

 

 

 

Raw facts are stats my man. 

 

Pope faces 200 shots and concedes only 1.

 

Ramsdale faces 9 shots and concedes 6.

 

Well 6 out of Ramsdale shots faced weren't stoppable. 

 

Pope should've saved all 200 shots by throwing a flat cap on them and the one he let in he tripped and the ball only just rolled over the line. 

 

I'm being daft I know but you can make stats fit any point of view. 

 

In summary Ramsdale has done nothing wrong, you have a conscious biased poor opinion of him, like I do but positive opinion as he hasn't done anything wrong as yet.

 

A time come when I agree with you but for now he has not done anything really wrong

 

 

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1 hour ago, TopL0ader said:

You can't do that and make stats fit your point of view. It would work anyway to suit an argument. 

 

For example I bet the opponents XG has been higher in the games which Ramsdale has played which wouldn't be his fault for conceding goals. 

 

He has been at fault for none of the six goals we've conceded in the previous 4 games I don't believe. 

 

We need to be getting back to stats in 22-24 isn't a decent argument, it's like saying we need Shay Given in goal again

 

 

Pope would have saved their equaliser.

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I like what he brings to the build. That’s about it. He’s unfortunately worse than Pope at every other aspect of the game. We’re fucked with either of them for the long term, Pope invites teams onto us through poor retention and turnovers, Ramsdale gives confidence to the attacking teams that you can score from any set piece scenario in our own half. You just need to progress the ball far enough for a foul or a corner. We desperately need better, but there isn’t a plug and play option out there.

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I'm hoping the decision to loan him was a can kicking exercise and not a trial period. We will back him whilst he wears our colours but he isn't the answer long term and this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. 

 

Fwiw I don't think he did anything wrong against Bayer however he's a bomb scare from corners. 

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31 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I'm hoping the decision to loan him was a can kicking exercise and not a trial period. We will back him whilst he wears our colours but he isn't the answer long term and this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. 

 

Fwiw I don't think he did anything wrong against Bayer however he's a bomb scare from corners. 


you just wish a keeper of his supposed experience makes that late save though you know?

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6 hours ago, TopL0ader said:

Ramsdale in the games he has played whether you shit yourself on set pieces or not has done nothing wrong. Nothing.... 

 

I had to Google one suggestion SVILAR :cheesy:

 

He is the one that caught it from a set piece and then walked over his own line conceding a goal... No thanks... 

 

 

 

 

 

Early on Thiaw's pace saved us as he doesn't come off his line like Pope does, and for their first he may as well have been an outfield player, I have no idea what he was doing, he's too often anonymous when the ball comes into a crowded box.

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5 hours ago, r0cafella said:

I'm hoping the decision to loan him was a can kicking exercise and not a trial period. We will back him whilst he wears our colours but he isn't the answer long term and this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. 

 

Fwiw I don't think he did anything wrong against Bayer however he's a bomb scare from corners. 


Thats well summed up 

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9 hours ago, London Mag said:

I think too many had an opinion on Ramsdale before he even pulled a shirt on. Criticism has been way over board

Just give the lad a few games to settle and then we’ll see. If it wasn’t for the equaliser I think he would have taken a lot of confidence from that game and have settled into the role. Hopefully he still will. 

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