Guest reefatoon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. That's fair enough mate, each to their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. That's fair enough mate, each to their own. I think 'effective in the right system' is as good as anyone can hope for from Big Vurn at this point like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. That's fair enough mate, each to their own. I think 'effective in the right system' is as good as anyone can hope for from Big Vurn at this point like I said influential, are my posts coming out in fucking Hebrew or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. That's fair enough mate, each to their own. I think 'effective in the right system' is as good as anyone can hope for from Big Vurn at this point like אמרתי משפיע , הם ההודעות שלי יוצאותבF *** ing עברית או משהו ? Wha? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. That's fair enough mate, each to their own. I think 'effective in the right system' is as good as anyone can hope for from Big Vurn at this point like אמרתי משפיע , הם ההודעות שלי יוצאותבF *** ing עברית או משהו ? Wha? sorry kazuki, not sure what i did there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. That's fair enough mate, each to their own. I think 'effective in the right system' is as good as anyone can hope for from Big Vurn at this point like אמרתי משפיע , הם ההודעות שלי יוצאותבF *** ing עברית או משהו ? Wha? :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Well if that is the case, I will look forward to him being brilliant. Unless these set of coaches end up rubbish too. I didn't say brilliant, I said influential in the right system. My point is, I'm not writing him off as you seem to be. That's fair enough mate, each to their own. I think 'effective in the right system' is as good as anyone can hope for from Big Vurn at this point like אמרתי משפיע , הם ההודעות שלי יוצאותבF *** ing עברית או משהו ? Wha? sorry kazuki, not sure what i did there It essentially means pretty much the same like, but still Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 He's been absolutely piss poor in games and very good in others, it's not like he's turned up and shown absolutely nothing of value ala Riviere. At the end of the day I don't know why anyone would be strongly against the lad when he's never, by anyone's standards, been given a fair chance. That's the long and short of it for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Former Ajax skipper De Jong - who knows McClaren well from his days as FC Twente boss - told the American media after the game: “I think he’s a good coach who really knows what he wants. You saw tonight that we improved on some aspects of the game compared to (what we were playing) especially the end of the season last season. “We want to play more from the back and keep the ball a little bit more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Anita needs to be playing when the the system has 3 in midfield like, I'd never have him in a version of 4-4-2. Anyone who would needs their head read. He's a player who could be very, very useful in the right system but if we're not going to play such a system it's pointless persevering with him tbh. We were told this when we signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Anita needs to be playing when the the system has 3 in midfield like, I'd never have him in a version of 4-4-2. Anyone who would needs their head read. He's a player who could be very, very useful in the right system but if we're not going to play such a system it's pointless persevering with him tbh. We were told this when we signed him. Pons Alias...Sewelly's alter ego? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Anita needs to be playing when the the system has 3 in midfield like, I'd never have him in a version of 4-4-2. Anyone who would needs their head read. He's a player who could be very, very useful in the right system but if we're not going to play such a system it's pointless persevering with him tbh. Colback shouldn't be starting in either system. I've basically thought any time we play a small central midfielder you need to have 3 in midfield as they generally don't cover as much ground effectively box to box. That goes for Cabaye, Colback and Anita. Of those, probably Anita manages to close down players better as he's quicker over the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Glad we're finally seeming to be aiming to develop a decent playing style. Probably won't happen perfectly overnight though so I hope there's a bit of patience from the staff and fans if it doesn't immediately click and results aren't great to start with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I like McClaren and rate him somewhat, but I have a strange feeling that this will all go pear shaped in a similar vain to how it went for Big Sam, but without the sacking from Ashley. It has that kind of feel for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I like McClaren and rate him somewhat, but I have a strange feeling that this will all go pear shaped in a similar vain to how it went for Big Sam, but without the sacking from Ashley. It has that kind of feel for me. how come? really can't see the comparison at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I like McClaren and rate him somewhat, but I have a strange feeling that this will all go pear shaped in a similar vain to how it went for Big Sam, but without the sacking from Ashley. It has that kind of feel for me. I'm scared to ask, but what could that possibly be based on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I like McClaren and rate him somewhat, but I have a strange feeling that this will all go pear shaped in a similar vain to how it went for Big Sam, but without the sacking from Ashley. It has that kind of feel for me. Nope. The players we appear to be after, and the quality of support staff makes it feel like we will do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Allardyce had the stench of defeatism, a reputation for turgid football, and being an ugly fat fuck about him. Not to mention he proved his ineptitude with the transfers he brought in. He was always going to struggle in a club where all the fans want is a decent playing style. It's the one thing he's not really about. It was doomed from the beginning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I don't mean based on the actual football, but based on the 'new dawn' scenario that seems to be being promoted at the moment. Big Sam was Shepherd's so-called wake up call, his big chance to move on from the previous type of set-up. This is Ashley's first real appointment for me, Pardew was Llambias' decision, this is Ashley's man. His Big Sam appointment if you like. I just think he will fail outright. We won't get the right players needed and we will have another poor to average season. Fans will eventually turn and even more big style than with Pardew et al. McClaren doesn't have the charisma, con-man type skills and good will to keep any angst away anyway. He badly needs 6 top quality players at least just to transform us from relegation candidates to top 8, and that isn't going to happen. I will stick my neck out here and say he will walk long before his contract is up. Under another owner and with backing, McClaren would achieve something tangible. Under Ashley though, well its only ever going to be failure. Top 8 seems to be the ultimate aim, but seriously? I'm not inspired one bit and see nothing but another 3 or so years of Pardew, minus the cuntishness and huge hammerings. I hope I'm wrong because I like McClaren and regard him as a top-class coach and a decent manager in general. We are a busted flush however... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 So hang on, Pardew had us midtable despite all his massive failings, but we need 6 top class players to move us into the top 8? I'm not sure I go along with that, getting the best out of what we've got will get us to midtable and with 3 or 4 additions we can break the top 8, one of which we've already got. We're in desperate need of one or two as a bare minimum as we all know, but the league is of fairly poor quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 In our current squad what we lack in quality we make up for in numbers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 In our current squad what we lack in quality we make up for in numbers I'm with HTT on this one. Ultimately we are still operating under Ashley's flawed model and it will once again fail to deliver what they promised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 So hang on, Pardew had us midtable despite all his massive failings, but we need 6 top class players to move us into the top 8? I'm not sure I go along with that, getting the best out of what we've got will get us to midtable and with 3 or 4 additions we can break the top 8, one of which we've already got. We're in desperate need of one or two as a bare minimum as we all know, but the league is of fairly poor quality. Pardew had us flirting with relegation and with this squad, from 16th to 8, 8 places, is a huge jump given the paucity of talent or required skills on offer. We need lots of talent and soon otherwise its another extremely average season. McClaren and co will see to it that we won't be fighting relegation even given our current squad, but we will struggle to break the top ten and even if we do get x number of quality players and finish 8th, sorry but that does not excite me one bit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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