The Prophet Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 People seem to be overlooking who our backroom staff are going to be. I honestly can't see much changing with lickety split and the gang still in employment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:11, The Prophet said: People seem to be overlooking who our backroom staff are going to be. I honestly can't see much changing with lickety split and the gang still in employment. On the other hand, having someone who isn't a fuckwit as their boss and someone with fresh ideas might make them workable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 The state of this thread man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I don't watch the Championship, so was there a reason for Derby falling away? They were joint top in early Feb but finished the season P17 W4 D8 L5 F29 A30 for 20 points. They conceded more (30) in the last 17 games than they did (26) in the first 29 games. Did they lose any key defensive players during the season? Their final games included a 2-2, a 3-3 and a 4-4. Were they simply "found out"? I did see the playoff last year and I thought QPR were jammy as feck to win it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 It was a mixture of injuries, being awful at the back and momentum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 It seems that some people don't understand the difference between 'providing balance' and 'pretending there's a balance' Providing balance is what SSN do to pretend there's an argument to be had so that it engages the viewers, despite the fact that the reality is massively skewed in one way. For example, they would provide balance by interviewing one fan that didn't want Carver and then interviewing one fan who 'thinks he deserves a chance'...both people get equal air time, the difference being that there's no debate. They'll have found that fan that didn't want Carver in 9 out of 10 places they looked, but they'll have resorted to hanging around Westgate Road looking for the bloke that was mumbling to himself to find the fan that had any time for Carver. Still though, that's 'providing balance' It's the same here, there's no balance to 'provide'...it's not like everyone can't deduce things for themselves and need someone to come in and provide an alternative argument. People are capable of making decisions based one both sides of the argument and that's how they come to conclusions like 'Pardew is a massive bellend and a fucking shit manager' after months of giving him every benefit of the doubt in their own mind by providing balance (5th place finish, 433 with HBA, Cisse and Ba). People don't need people to provide balance for them, we're all capable thinking for ourselves like. Obviously it's a forum and the whole idea is to debate things, but this being contrarian under the guise of providing balance is rubbish. It's just a patronising devil's advocate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 11th. How exciting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:21, The Prophet said: It was a mixture of injuries, being awful at the back and momentum. And McClaren. Mainly McClaren. Now the smarmy fuck can be paired up with Carver to form a miserable run super group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 The most annoying thing about it all is 'tge give him time brigade' will play right into Ashley's hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Question for those that have given up going to matches. Will the appointment of Steve McClaren mean you will attend games again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I won't be going. Not McClaren's fault though. If there was some serious ambitions in transfers I might but we wont do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:34, colinmk said: Question for those that have given up going to matches. Will the appointment of Steve McClaren mean you will attend games again? Not a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Better atmosphere in a pub anyway. There's a better atmosphere in a library for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Very surprised if anybody decides to go back because of Mcclaren like obviously there are those who would still turn up no matter what, but they are beyond help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:07, Parky said: Ultimately it won't really be about McClaren but investment in the squad. That will be the real statement of intentions. Well we've been conned plenty of times about this in the past with Ashley, but this time he's actually come out on tv and implied we would be spending big money in order to win something. McClaren might have a chance if that happens but if we just carry on penny pinching he's going to get just as many pelters as Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:53, Klaus said: Very surprised if anybody decides to go back because of Mcclaren like obviously there are those who would still turn up no matter what, but they are beyond help. The only thing which will sell season tickets is big signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Actually Mike Ashley said he would, "continue to invest". Which implies more of the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:51, South Tynedale Mag said: Better atmosphere in a pub anyway. There's a better atmosphere in a library for that matter. That's what happens when you support a club that exists to exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:54, TRon said: Quote Ultimately it won't really be about McClaren but investment in the squad. That will be the real statement of intentions. Well we've been conned plenty of times about this in the past with Ashley, but this time he's actually come out on tv and implied we would be spending big money in order to win something. McClaren might have a chance if that happens but if we just carry on penny pinching he's going to get just as many pelters as Pardew. MA is looking at the long con now...The value of the club in 5 years will double mainly due to TV money. I think he will throw about 30-40m net in this window. That amount won't affect his strategy mainly because we have that much lying around and more TV money to come. If it's spent wisely the team will be decent and THEN we can properly discuss SM. Right now there are too many intangibles and we're essentially going on instinct. He's a reasonable manager nothing more, but he's quite capable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:07, Parky said: Ultimately it won't really be about McClaren but investment in the squad. That will be the real statement of intentions. Yep. If Ashley does what he says and 'punches above our weight' in the transfer window, then I think McClaren can do well. In that event, it'll be a big opportunity for him, which should energise him. And yes people, I know we've heard it all before, and you can't believe that people can still be fooled and Ashley's a proven liar etc etc I know, I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 12:01, Parky said: Quote Quote Ultimately it won't really be about McClaren but investment in the squad. That will be the real statement of intentions. Well we've been conned plenty of times about this in the past with Ashley, but this time he's actually come out on tv and implied we would be spending big money in order to win something. McClaren might have a chance if that happens but if we just carry on penny pinching he's going to get just as many pelters as Pardew. MA is looking at the long con now...The value of the club in 5 years will double mainly due to TV money. I think he will throw about 30-40m net in this window. That amount won't affect his strategy mainly because we have that much lying around and more TV money to come. If it's spent wisely the team will be decent and THEN we can properly discuss SM. Right now there are too many intangibles and we're essentially going on instinct. He's a reasonable manager nothing more, but he's quite capable. That's what I'm thinking as well, with the amount of money coming into the coffers now, he could spend that amount and still be in the black. He's in a position now where penny pinching would make no sense from any angle. Given a decent squad McClaren would have to be particularly crap to make us struggle next season. With a £30-40m investment in the squad he should be looking at Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:34, colinmk said: Question for those that have given up going to matches. Will the appointment of Steve McClaren mean you will attend games again? Nope. Someone like Viera (with lots of new faces being brought in) might have swayed my decision to get my season ticket back but I still think the football next season under McClaren/Carver will be completely dour, can't be bothered wasting my time being completely bored inside SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 11:47, Mick said: Quote Question for those that have given up going to matches. Will the appointment of Steve McClaren mean you will attend games again? Not a chance. As if anyone would be stupid enough to be bought off and get back into bed with Ashley because we have him as manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 12:18, Roger Kint said: Quote Quote Question for those that have given up going to matches. Will the appointment of Steve McClaren mean you will attend games again? Not a chance. As if anyone would be stupid enough to be bought off and get back into bed with Ashley because we have him as manager Unfortunately there'll be thousands of the morons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 On 06/06/2015 at 12:22, Dr.Spaceman said: Quote Quote Quote Question for those that have given up going to matches. Will the appointment of Steve McClaren mean you will attend games again? Not a chance. As if anyone would be stupid enough to be bought off and get back into bed with Ashley because we have him as manager Unfortunately there'll be thousands of the morons. No way would people who have given up come back just on this appointment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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