Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Guthrie problem is that he poses no carry threat going forward. If our CMs get it, you know they're going to pass cause they can't run with it like when we had dyer/jenas in the side. Butt can't play as a sitter when in a midfield 2, he needs someone in their to do his running contributing forward as he can't get up or down. This is exacerbated by Guthrie not getting up either, just playing in the middle or deep. Milner can't cross, has little/no off the ball movement and his first touch on the run is generally poor. Geremi can cover RB if he stops diving in. Reminds me when solano filled in their. Nothing great defensively but able to play his way out of trouble. Zoggy's got a good attitude. Did well at LB. Nothing amazing, but good for him. Guti looks quality. I'd like to see him play a little higher up the field, and try a few runs in behind his full back in teh space between CB and FB. Still early days tho. Cacapa needs more belief in himself. He goes in for challenges the same way as Rozehnal used to. As if he's only going in because he knows he should, not because he knows he's gonna batter the ball into the stands at all costs. mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Guthrie problem is that he poses no carry threat going forward. If our CMs get it, you know they're going to pass cause they can't run with it like when we had dyer/jenas in the side. Butt can't play as a sitter when in a midfield 2, he needs someone in their to do his running contributing forward as he can't get up or down. This is exacerbated by Guthrie not getting up either, just playing in the middle or deep. Milner can't cross, has little/no off the ball movement and his first touch on the run is generally poor. Geremi can cover RB if he stops diving in. Reminds me when solano filled in their. Nothing great defensively but able to play his way out of trouble. Zoggy's got a good attitude. Did well at LB. Nothing amazing, but good for him. Guti looks quality. I'd like to see him play a little higher up the field, and try a few runs in behind his full back in teh space between CB and FB. Still early days tho. Cacapa needs more belief in himself. He goes in for challenges the same way as Rozehnal used to. As if he's only going in because he knows he should, not because he knows he's gonna batter the ball into the stands at all costs. when did Jenas run with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Guthrie problem is that he poses no carry threat going forward. If our CMs get it, you know they're going to pass cause they can't run with it like when we had dyer/jenas in the side. Butt can't play as a sitter when in a midfield 2, he needs someone in their to do his running contributing forward as he can't get up or down. This is exacerbated by Guthrie not getting up either, just playing in the middle or deep. Milner can't cross, has little/no off the ball movement and his first touch on the run is generally poor. Geremi can cover RB if he stops diving in. Reminds me when solano filled in their. Nothing great defensively but able to play his way out of trouble. Zoggy's got a good attitude. Did well at LB. Nothing amazing, but good for him. Guti looks quality. I'd like to see him play a little higher up the field, and try a few runs in behind his full back in teh space between CB and FB. Still early days tho. Cacapa needs more belief in himself. He goes in for challenges the same way as Rozehnal used to. As if he's only going in because he knows he should, not because he knows he's gonna batter the ball into the stands at all costs. when did Jenas run with it? Since he joined spurs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Is Jonas not playing on Sunday then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Is Jonas not playing on Sunday then? Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Is Jonas not playing on Sunday then? No, Keegan said he'd leave him out against his old team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Has anyone in this thread said "It is only a friendly" yet? These will be the same fellas who took getting beat off Derby away in there stride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Guthrie problem is that he poses no carry threat going forward. If our CMs get it, you know they're going to pass cause they can't run with it like when we had dyer/jenas in the side. Butt can't play as a sitter when in a midfield 2, he needs someone in their to do his running contributing forward as he can't get up or down. This is exacerbated by Guthrie not getting up either, just playing in the middle or deep. Milner can't cross, has little/no off the ball movement and his first touch on the run is generally poor. Geremi can cover RB if he stops diving in. Reminds me when solano filled in their. Nothing great defensively but able to play his way out of trouble. Zoggy's got a good attitude. Did well at LB. Nothing amazing, but good for him. Guti looks quality. I'd like to see him play a little higher up the field, and try a few runs in behind his full back in teh space between CB and FB. Still early days tho. Cacapa needs more belief in himself. He goes in for challenges the same way as Rozehnal used to. As if he's only going in because he knows he should, not because he knows he's gonna batter the ball into the stands at all costs. when did Jenas run with it? Since he joined spurs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Has anyone in this thread said "It is only a friendly" yet? These will be the same fellas who took getting beat off Derby away in there stride. Better than the group who were posting threads telling Keegan to step down about 7 games in. Pathetic. Not aimed at you by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Agree on the Dyer bit mind, it's only now he's gone that you realise just how important his ability to run with the ball was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Has anyone in this thread said "It is only a friendly" yet? These will be the same fellas who took getting beat off Derby away in there stride. i'll say it and it was the derby defeat that persusded me allardyce had to go. it was only a friendly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Agree on the Dyer bit mind, it's only now he's gone that you realise just how important his ability to run with the ball was. aye we realised that 8 times a season when he was out with injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Has anyone in this thread said "It is only a friendly" yet? These will be the same fellas who took getting beat off Derby away in there stride. Because the two games / situations are almost identical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Has anyone in this thread said "It is only a friendly" yet? These will be the same fellas who took getting beat off Derby away in there stride. Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K9 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Has keegan said owt yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Agree on the Dyer bit mind, it's only now he's gone that you realise just how important his ability to run with the ball was. I think there were a few who pointed it out back then but the wall of hatred was overwhelming in it's response. Guthrie looks like a nice passer, but he doesn't look like an attacking midfielder, and looks too slight to be a holding one. Maybe he can develop into that role though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 We were shite like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Agree on the Dyer bit mind, it's only now he's gone that you realise just how important his ability to run with the ball was. Replacing Dyer with Smith was the first nail in fat Sam's coffin, for all his problems his ability to stretch games and get in behind defenders is something we're missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest microbar Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Only Duff looked promising milners crosses where absolute shite Hope keegan comes up with at least half a dozen new signings If not we will be in real trouble this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 first 30mins we dominated without finding a finish (no surprise given the forwards). jonas looked decent. guthrie may be better given someone in front of him to make a move. (if zidane at his peak had played tonight he wouldn't have been able to create anything for ameobi/smith.....fair do's he may have got 6 or 7 on his own) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Thank god i missed this one then.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Thank god i missed this one then.. Watching Ameobi and Smith up front is like a gift from heaven... Whilst you're on your way to hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Can't really see these pre-season matches as anything more than fitness games simply because we can't honestly judge a nine-man team. Playing with no strikers to speak of whatsoever really doesn't help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Can't really see these pre-season matches as anything more than fitness games simply because we can't honestly judge a nine-man team. Playing with no strikers to speak of whatsoever really doesn't help. But these are our back ups. Thank good our first choice forwards hardly ever visit the training room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 What we really need are midfielders. Not defenders, not forwards, but midfielders. I'd love a new striker, and I'll be ecstatic if we manage to finally secure Coloccini. But going into a Premiership season with just Butt, Guthrie, & Geremi is nothing short of mental. We'll struggle, end up at the wrong end of the table, and everyone will panic. So let's avoid that this season and just sign the right players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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