Dave Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Which players don't want to play or want to do badly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I've read one or two interviews, but i'm more than happy for him to stay silent. He wants to play football and do well, that type of footballer can play for my club any day of the week. But he hasn't played football and he hasn't done well. I see where your coming from. I just think he's had enough chances. We are over all the rubbish that he put us through and it's possibly dangerous to go digging it up again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I don't really consider him an NUFC player at all, he's appeared so little. And he always says he's going to reform, just before beating someone up usually. I hope he's going to do what he says this time and actually play well, but I'll only believe it when I see it. The time to believe anything he says is long gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Can't be arsed? If all of our players cared as much as Barton we probably wouldn't have been relegated last season. If he hadn't of gotten that pointless red card against Liverpool we probably wouldn't have been relegated last season with him in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 we really needed him at the end of last season. along with shearer coming in, barton's return was almost like one last big push to stay up. however unfortunate he was to get that red at anfield, he shouldnt have put himself in that position. still some faith in him to come good for us at this level - smith and nolan have ( admittedly not lately though), and joey's better than them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRL Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 The thing is for me, are we going to bring in a player with the potential to be a better option in centre mid than Barton during the transfer window? I reckon the answer is a resounding no, so he is most definitely required as teams are beginning to suss out that if they close out our left hand side we offer absolutely nothing else. Having someone like Barton even at 70% in the middle will give them a whole new problem to worry about, it's just whether Hughton has the balls to play him there, whether he's up for it and whether our team can deprogram their 'play to the left or hoof' mentality quickly enough to stop Barton getting frustrated and going through someone with the tackle. Lots of if buts and maybe's there and sadly it's likely to backfire in one way or another, but i don't see that many other options at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I honestly don't care how much players 'care' really... I'd rather they did I suppose, but it's performances that matter at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Which players don't want to play or want to do badly? I think certainly from last season's squad there were a few players who weren't showing the above to any real extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 the other thing that worries me is that the refs at this level will go looking for him just to make a name for themselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I do like watching Smith and Barton on the pitch together though, the potential for violence is brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 The thing that worries me most about Barton (excluding the fact he's a bit mental) is this; We don't know how to use him because he doesn't fit into a traditional central midfield mould. He's not a breaker of play but nor is he an accomplished creator of play. Does that make sense? He doesn't excel in any one aspect of central midfield play - he doesn't tend to score many, he can't thread a pass, he's not the best tackler, or header and he doesn't seem to dictate play. However, he is an all round decent operator and, for that reason alone, he is better than our current DM and ACM options but that still doesn't get past the problem of his use. What does he bring? Well, he's a bit better than Guthrie at most things, he's got legs which makes him automatically superior to Nolan and Butt and he's got energy meaning he can potentially drive the team forward. Doubtless, he'll make a difference at this level - he'll never be a big player in the premiership until we find his best position and coach the fucker back into top level football in that position - as it is he's everybodys saviour but nobodys long term solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 The thing that worries me most about Barton (excluding the fact he's a bit mental) is this; We don't know how to use him because he doesn't fit into a traditional central midfield mould. He's not a breaker of play but nor is he an accomplished creator of play. Does that make sense? He doesn't excel in any one aspect of central midfield play - he doesn't tend to score many, he can't thread a pass, he's not the best tackler, or header and he doesn't seem to dictate play. However, he is an all round decent operator and, for that reason alone, he is better than our current DM and ACM options but that still doesn't get past the problem of his use. What does he bring? Well, he's a bit better than Guthrie at most things, he's got legs which makes him automatically superior to Nolan and Butt and he's got energy meaning he can potentially drive the team forward. Doubtless, he'll make a difference at this level - he'll never be a big player in the premiership until we find his best position and coach the fucker back into top level football in that position - as it is he's everybodys saviour but nobodys long term solution. I wouldn't argue too much about much in your post but that bit is wrong. The one quality he does have is the ability to pick a pass, if anything he's looked constantly off the pace in his time here, maybe because he's been injured, or injuring someone else. He's a good player but I'm not sure he has the appetite for the game any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/713129/BARTON-READY-TO-END-INJURY-HELL.html could play in ressies this week and apparently his injury was rather complex to fix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Fully expect him to come back look indifferent, pick up a knock again for the remainder of the season. We will sell him and he will get close to his Man City form, including some stunning performances against us with someone else before settling into mediocrity for the rest of his career. Excluding that I cant wait to have him back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 His return can't come soon enough. He's still the most naturally gifted fooballer at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 His return can't come soon enough. He's still the most naturally gifted fooballer at the club. Amen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Can't be arsed? If all of our players cared as much as Barton we probably wouldn't have been relegated last season. If he hadn't of gotten that pointless red card against Liverpool we probably wouldn't have been relegated last season with him in the middle. Aye we wouldn't have lost against Villa final day with him in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 The longer this goes on, the more Barton reminds me of Zidane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Can't be arsed? If all of our players cared as much as Barton we probably wouldn't have been relegated last season. If he hadn't of gotten that pointless red card against Liverpool we probably wouldn't have been relegated last season with him in the middle. Aye we wouldn't have lost against Villa final day with him in the middle. We would have tbh. Our players looked more likely to grow wings than score in that game, or most of them under Shearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 You'd have thought John Carew had a bet on us to win that day the way he played, yet the game could have went on for another 90 mins and we wouldn't have looked like scoring. Still though, blaming Barton and Duff is the easy option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 People still got faith in self destructing Joey:lol:. We got a glimpse earlier on in the season that he is as pedestrian as Nolan, Smith & Butt. His creatively was over hit passes. Missed too much football in recent years to ever get back to something resembling decent. Shame he felt he had to look the big man by kicking a Liverpool player in front of the Kop, as he would of had the chance to become the hero he has always wanted to be if had of created 1 winning goal in last seasons run in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Am I the only one who thought that tackle wasn't worthy of a red card btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Am I the only one who thought that tackle wasn't worthy of a red card btw? nah ive seen much worse go unpunished i think if it wasnt joey barton it would of been a yellow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Am I the only one who thought that tackle wasn't worthy of a red card btw? Was it fuck a red card. Alonso had a sloppy touch trying to keep the ball in and the ball was there to be won. Anyone else and nothing would have been made of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Am I the only one who thought that tackle wasn't worthy of a red card btw? I was absolutely slated for sticking up for him that day. Smith's challenge was worse and he wasn't even booked for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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