NG32 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 We are advertising space forever. Nothing more than retaining a place in the premier league. Enjoy folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Am I right in assuming that having negative equity in Newcastle United would absorb some of the taxes owed by MASH and by writing off the debt by absorbing it into MASH would cause him more losses in the long run? That would make sense as to why it's interest free and he's not looking to recoup any time soon? If he just adds it to the value of the club he can continue to use it as a sort of tax haven and ultimately not lose a penny if/when he sells up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Am I right in assuming that having negative equity in Newcastle United would absorb some of the taxes owed by MASH and by writing off the debt by absorbing it into MASH would cause him more losses in the long run? That would make sense as to why it's interest free and he's not looking to recoup any time soon? If he just adds it to the value of the club he can continue to use it as a sort of tax haven and ultimately not lose a penny if/when he sells up. The only time he will sell up, if ever. Is when Newcastle United is no longer giving SD the exposure it wants. I cant see this changing for a long time. Sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 think i will cry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snoopythewriter Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 MASH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Good question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Good question. It was a football club back then with ambitions. Regardless of its position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Good question. It was a football club back then with ambitions. Regardless of its position. Do you remember? I wasn't having a dig, I genuinely want to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Good question. It was a football club back then with ambitions. Regardless of its position. Do you remember? I wasn't having a dig, I genuinely want to know. You're very passive aggressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Good question. It was a football club back then with ambitions. Regardless of its position. Do you remember? I wasn't having a dig, I genuinely want to know. You're very passive aggressive. Eh? I was being anything but, I was honestly asking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danswan Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Was pretty similar back in the 80's as I remember it, but there wasn't this feeling that we were being actively exploited, just that they powers that be were generally incompetent and unconcerned about the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Good question. It was a football club back then with ambitions. Regardless of its position. Do you remember? I wasn't having a dig, I genuinely want to know. I was first taken to the match in 1982, whilst not attending all the time i still followed the club mainly through CP40 and our old man. You couldn't escape Newcastle Unitedin our house. I rememeber the promotion with KK and Beardsley etc. It seemed fantastic and the buzz of promption seemed magical to a kid. I dont recal much grumbling about the board then... I remember things getting a bit sour with Jack Charlton in charge and the club selling Waddle, Beardsley and Gazza.. Not suprised with Jack Charlton as manager... but I still think we were one of the highest spenders one season, under Willie McFall, and were then relegated. I think a couple of failed promotions and money getting tight started with the McKeags...and fans wanted real change. But after all that it still felt like a football club, it still felt like it could be turned around. The dream of ambition and wanting to improve was always there , the previous boards did try but didn't have any money. But I dont think they were as sinister as Ashley's vision for NUFC. For me now, the club feels empty, devoid of anything, sterile, its just an advertising space for its parent company. Its not going to change anytime soon. Yeah, we are hovering around, lurking about he premiership...but to what end??? Its totally emotionless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, for the older members on here, how does Ashleys era compare with direction and ownership in the 70's, 80's etc? Good question. It was a football club back then with ambitions. Regardless of its position. Do you remember? I wasn't having a dig, I genuinely want to know. I was first taken to the match in 1982, whilst not attending all the time i still followed the club mainly through CP40 and our old man. You couldn't escape Newcastle Unitedin our house. I rememeber the promotion with KK and Beardsley etc. It seemed fantastic and the buzz of promption seemed magical to a kid. I dont recal much grumbling about the board then... I remember things getting a bit sour with Jack Charlton in charge and the club selling Waddle, Beardsley and Gazza.. Not suprised with Jack Charlton as manager... but I still think we were one of the highest spenders one season, under Willie McFall, and were then relegated. I think a couple of failed promotions and money getting tight started with the McKeags...and fans wanted real change. But after all that it still felt like a football club, it still felt like it could be turned around. The dream of ambition and wanting to improve was always there , the previous boards did try but didn't have any money. But I dont think they were as sinister as Ashley's vision for NUFC. For me now, the club feels empty, devoid of anything, sterile, its just an advertising space for its parent company. Its not going to change anytime soon. Yeah, we are hovering around, lurking about he premiership...but to what end??? Its totally emotionless. That's what my curiosity was regarding. Right now, it really does feel absolutely pointless, and yet to anybody else but MA so obvious in how it can be improved; Actually spending money the club makes and having a real plan in place for some (any) form of progression. I'm in agreement about the purpose of the club being to advertise SD and to simply remain in the league. This is probably why the question of 'what would it take to get rid of MA' and relegation coming into the same subject for some people. We aren't going anywhere, are we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 having a real plan in place for some (any) form of progression But progression to what? Champions League contention is essentially only for a self-perpetuating cohort of rich clubs. Europa League? A discredited farce of a tournament. Nothing more than a scrap thrown to second tier clubs. Even if you do progress through (at great expense and little reward) to the knock-out stages, stronger Champions League failures await to in all probability knock you out. That leaves the League Cup and FA Cup. Take them more seriously by all means, but the chances of winning one is slim. It's all about the Top 4 and Champions League. Everything else has been deeply devalued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Slim chances of winning? In the last ten years, Wigan, Portsmouth (twice), Cardiff, Millwall, Stoke, West Ham and Everton have all made the FA Cup final. Portsmouth and Wigan have won it. In the League Cup over that time finalists have included Swansea, Bradford, Cardiff, Birmingham, Aston Villa, Wigan, Middlesbrough and Bolton. And most recently Sunderland of course. Swansea, Birmingham and Middlesbrough have won it. This idea that the cups are the preserve of the very top clubs is poppycock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Slim chances of winning? In the last ten years, Wigan, Portsmouth (twice), Cardiff, Millwall, Stoke, West Ham and Everton have all made the FA Cup final. Portsmouth and Wigan have won it. In the League Cup over that time finalists have included Swansea, Bradford, Cardiff, Birmingham, Aston Villa, Wigan, Middlesbrough and Bolton. And most recently Sunderland of course. Swansea, Birmingham and Middlesbrough have won it. This idea that the cups are the preserve of the very top clubs is poppycock. Yep. Particularly this year, too. The draws have been excellent. Apart from us obviously; real shame we got the mighty Cardiff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Slim chances of winning? In the last ten years, Wigan, Portsmouth (twice), Cardiff, Millwall, Stoke, West Ham and Everton have all made the FA Cup final. Portsmouth and Wigan have won it. In the League Cup over that time finalists have included Swansea, Bradford, Cardiff, Birmingham, Aston Villa, Wigan, Middlesbrough and Bolton. And most recently Sunderland of course. Swansea, Birmingham and Middlesbrough have won it. This idea that the cups are the preserve of the very top clubs is poppycock. :frantic: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 having a real plan in place for some (any) form of progression But progression to what? Champions League contention is essentially only for a self-perpetuating cohort of rich clubs. Europa League? A discredited farce of a tournament. Nothing more than a scrap thrown to second tier clubs. Even if you do progress through (at great expense and little reward) to the knock-out stages, stronger Champions League failures await to in all probability knock you out. Dave's covered the cup point but this is absolute bullshit as well. Even a cursory glance at the last 16 draw of the Europa League shows that it contains some of Europe's biggest clubs. The only ones who treat that competition as a "discredited farce" are Premier League clubs run like ours, who care only for how much money an extra league place can get them. You sound like you've been completely conned by the Premier League/Champions League hype machine, as if that's all that matters. Even if all that you say were true, those experiences are what being a football supporter is all about. So we ran into a Champions League dropout and got knocked out. Oh well you're right, what a waste of time. Never mind that there were young Newcastle fans in Lisbon, in Moscow, in Brugge, seeing their club play in an environment that most football fans never get to experience. I went and watched Newcastle in a game we had no chance of winning in the Nou Camp ten years ago and it's still one of the best footballing experiences of my life, and always will be barring a miracle. Absolutely rank attitude, and one that far too many of our supporters have (somehow) acquired. No wonder the club think they've got free licence to bin off every competition whilst some of our fans are applauding them for it. Christ knows what fans of perennial Championship clubs must think of us when they see our fans giving it "ugh Europe again, what a farce". It's embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 FWIW I think the Europa League does have some massive flaws. Misguided shite like letting the Fair Play winners in and bloating out the early rounds has done it absolutely no favours. Would I ever choose not to be in it? Unless it's to swap for a Champions League place, not in a million years. I miss the days when I took it as granted that we were in the competition and one thing I always thought highly of Shepherd for was when other clubs were turning their nose up at an Intertoto place because they didn't want to start the season in mid-July, he would always throw our hat into the ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Spot on. Love the Europa league, for all its flaws. Really hope we qualify for it again this year, however unlikely that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I can't take the Europa League seriously personally the main reason being is letting the Champions League failures in. It just discredits it since its the consolation prize for them and really gives it the feeling of "champions league for those too shit to get into it or stay in it" and doesn't feel like its own unique competition and as much shit as I'll give the ridiculous overhype of the "magic" of the fa cup it does feel like its own tournament. UEFA need to stop letting in any champions league side who go out be it in early stage or in particular group stage, you lost you don't get to stay in Europe for losing. They need to revamp the format completely instead of it being CL lite get rid of all group stages and make it a simple 2 legged knockout competition the whole way through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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