Mick Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yeah I've fielded flak from Micks before so I know. Don't see how I or anybody else could have any similarly strong opinions about you I'm afraid. Cutting, I'll not sleep tonight now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 So, did 50p win? I'll shell out a bit more than that to meet the bimps tbh, I know a zookeeper and it might be fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 So, did 50p win? I'll shell out a bit more than that to meet the bimps tbh, I know a zookeeper and it might be fun. I'm worth damn more than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yeah I've fielded flak from Micks before so I know. Don't see how I or anybody else could have any similarly strong opinions about you I'm afraid. Cutting, I'll not sleep tonight now. As long as we'll both be awake. Can Skype if you like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 So, did 50p win? I'll shell out a bit more than that to meet the bimps tbh, I know a zookeeper and it might be fun. I'm worth damn more than that I know, man, was trying unsuccessfully to derail this horrible thread. £1 for the two? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 So, did 50p win? I'll shell out a bit more than that to meet the bimps tbh, I know a zookeeper and it might be fun. I'm worth damn more than that I know, man, was trying unsuccessfully to derail this horrible thread. £1 for the two? I'm not a cheap whore you know, well a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fiver? I have to see Mrs Bimpy at least. Just to win a bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fiver? I have to see Mrs Bimpy at least. Just to win a bet. Probably best she stays a bit of mystery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Probably best she stays a bit of mystery. I'm surprised you've passed up the chance of a fiver mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Probably best she stays a bit of mystery. I'm surprised you've passed up the chance of a fiver mind. It was tough like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fiver? I have to see Mrs Bimpy at least. Just to win a bet. Probably best she stays a bit of mystery. Good lad. I hide mine too. Thread derailed I hope. Get yourself over to Chat or something, this place is poisonous. Christ, meetings all morning tomorrow later this morning. I'll be fragrant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fiver? I have to see Mrs Bimpy at least. Just to win a bet. Probably best she stays a bit of mystery. Good lad. I hide mine too. Thread derailed I hope. Get yourself over to Chat or something, this place is poisonous. Christ, meetings all morning tomorrow later this morning. I'll be fragrant. I'm only nimbling in forum at the moment, bought myself Crysis 3. I creep about like a snail when i play that. 10 hours gameplay turns into a 100 when i'm playing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fiver? I have to see Mrs Bimpy at least. Just to win a bet. Probably best she stays a bit of mystery. Good lad. I hide mine too. Thread derailed I hope. Get yourself over to Chat or something, this place is poisonous. Christ, meetings all morning tomorrow later this morning. I'll be fragrant. I'm only nimbling in forum at the moment, bought myself Crysis 3. I creep about like a snail when i play that. 10 hours gameplay turns into a 100 when i'm playing What happened here? New page crisis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 To be honest Trollemarche, if all you're saying is that the press night not see Pardew as a failure full stop, not many I imagine would have taken you up on it. But then either intentionally or otherwise you defend this press view and say that you understand them (which kind of makes it your view too) and throw in some horse shit and argue that we have a sensible transfer policy and despite us only getting two loans over 2 transfer windows, and that our squad is now stronger then when we just got promoted (no shit). That's why you're getting barbs thrown at you not for the press bit. So no that's not all you're saying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I said I understand why they'd think that, because it's massively, massively obvious. It really is. And yes, people did take me up on it. That's where the shitstorm started. I said our squad has gotten stronger in the last 3 years because it clearly has, promotion or no. I now realise that using phrases like "we have gotten stronger" sets off massive alarm bells in the mind of someone who hates Ashley / Pardew because it implies they might be doing something right. So they jump on it, regardless of what was actually said. Example: I asked repeatedly "Which of Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs do you think we should be finishing above?" (obvious answer: none of them) and nobody ever answered because to do so would be to allow some acknowledgment of the idea that perhaps, in some small way, Pardew and / or Ashley hadn't completely, 100% failed. And then I got jumped on as if I'd just defended Pardew. I don't see how anyone can argue against those two basic statements. The only remotely contentious thing I did was not to condemn our transfer policy, on the grounds that so far the squad has clearly improved (see above) despite or because of it. The response I got was more in line with something a lot stronger and pro-Ashley / Pardew which I think some people genuinely thought was what I was saying, having failed to really pay attention. I was getting counterarguments thrown at me to things I hadn't really said, such as "wage bill absolutely defines league position" which I didn't say and "Newcastle's transfer policy is absolutely brilliant and should not be doubted" which I also didn't say. And a lot of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 D-Day +4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I said I understand why they'd think that, because it's massively, massively obvious. It really is. And yes, people did take me up on it. That's where the shitstorm started. I said our squad has gotten stronger in the last 3 years because it clearly has, promotion or no. I now realise that using phrases like "we have gotten stronger" sets off massive alarm bells in the mind of someone who hates Ashley / Pardew because it implies they might be doing something right. So they jump on it, regardless of what was actually said. Example: I asked repeatedly "Which of Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs do you think we should be finishing above?" (obvious answer: none of them) and nobody ever answered because to do so would be to allow some acknowledgment of the idea that perhaps, in some small way, Pardew and / or Ashley hadn't completely, 100% failed. And then I got jumped on as if I'd just defended Pardew. I don't see how anyone can argue against those two basic statements. The only remotely contentious thing I did was not to condemn our transfer policy, on the grounds that so far the squad has clearly improved (see above) despite or because of it. The response I got was more in line with something a lot stronger and pro-Ashley / Pardew which I think some people genuinely thought was what I was saying, having failed to really pay attention. I was getting counterarguments thrown at me to things I hadn't really said, such as "wage bill absolutely defines league position" which I didn't say and "Newcastle's transfer policy is absolutely brilliant and should not be doubted" which I also didn't say. And a lot of others. We should have been above Man U and would have been with a half decent manager, something we don't have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Could argue that we could've sneaked into 6th or 7th this year, for sure, even if you'd never dream of putting us above them at the start of the season. But even then: is that enough for the press to dub Pardew a failure? It'd be seen as extremely harsh, for the sake of those 5 or so points. At the end of the day, Man Utd have had a shocker by their standards but they've still done enough to stay in touch with the top 5 or 6 and will probably finish thereabouts. To restate, I'm not defending Pardew, I'm second-guessing the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Could argue that we could've sneaked into 6th or 7th this year, for sure, even if you'd never dream of putting us above them at the start of the season. But even then: is that enough for the press to dub Pardew a failure? It'd be seen as extremely harsh, for the sake of those 5 or so points. At the end of the day, Man Utd have had a shocker by their standards but they've still done enough to stay in touch with the top 5 or 6 and will probably finish thereabouts. To restate, I'm not defending Pardew, I'm second-guessing the media. I'm not too bothered what the press say, they are fairly ignorant and just spout clichés most of the time because it's easier than having to think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 We should be trying to be above all of them. The best way to try and be above any of them is to be a complete flat-track bully. The preposterous myth that has grown up during the Premier League era is that the clubs that can't compete financially with the top one or two, can't therefore compete for places. How does Man City's money stop Newcastle beating Swansea or Hull or sunderland? It doesn't but clubs like ours want the fans to think that it does so they don't have to spend any money, or hire anyone more than a League One reject to be the manager, and a significant proportion of the crowd lap it up, go home and take photos of the league table if we're 7th on goal difference. The facts are that Arsenal's record against the clubs around them (other than Spurs, who they ritually humiliate the way we used to do to the mackems before Alan Pardew rocked up) is horrendous, relatively speaking. So was Bobby Robson's, with some notable exceptions - shit at Anfield, shit at Old Trafford, shit at Stamford Bridge and we generally got turned over at home by better sides too but most of the sides in the bottom half who came to SJP were disdainfully swatted away like an errant fly. That will get you far more points over a season than spending most of the year patting yourself on the back for being the latest in a long line to get one over David Moyes whilst Steve Bruce and Gus Poyet come to Newcastle and get Alan Pardew to wipe their arse and carry their bags to the bus. You generally need about 70 points on average to take 4th place and most teams who get 4th win around 19-21 games and draws make up the rest. If you win your home games against the rubbish, as a Newcastle team (and certainly this team, as it was three weeks ago) always should, and have half decent away form, you should be there or thereabouts without even needing to get a single point against Man City or Chelsea or Arsenal. 13 home wins, 3 draws, 4 defeats 8 away wins, 5 draws, 7 defeats That would be Champions League form. Really not too much to ask for over the course of a season if you concentrate on blowing away the utter dross that makes up the majority of the league table at home, as Arsenal do and have done for years, no matter how many times they get turned over at Old Trafford. Make up a blip or two with the odd bonus against a better side and you're there. Even if you fall short, there is never an excuse for not trying. Don't know where this chronic lack of ambition came from amongst our support considering what it was like ten years ago when 5th was rightly called out as not being good enough but it's really harming us. Even if you think Ashley's a cunt, that doesn't mean you don't have the right to demand better from the mug in charge of the team. Demand better all the time, make his life a fucking misery for serving up this shit. Vast swathes of people have bought into the club propaganda machine that because Man City have loads of money, Newcastle can't turn West Ham and Hull over at home so just let him off with it. It's embarrassing. Grow some fucking bollocks ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 wullie, beating the shite consistently is all a club like ourselves, spurs, everton etc. need to do to be in contention for places...and it served us very well under keegan and robson, as you've pointed out... unfortunately have one of the most cowardly managers i've ever seen in top flight football trying to lose all the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Seriously, is it just me being idealistic or is perhaps an expanded and tailored version of Wullie's post there not perfect for some kind of 'open letter' that could somehow be distributed to match going fans (and beyond?) Create a bit of buzz on social media, so people are expecting it, which I'm sure a lot of people on here including myself would be more than willing to provide with grandioso tweets to news outlets (especially the banned ones) and journo's and then get the thing written, I reckon it would get about quick enough and it would be a good way to build pressure if a well read outlet picked it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 We should be trying to be above all of them. The best way to try and be above any of them is to be a complete flat-track bully. The preposterous myth that has grown up during the Premier League era is that the clubs that can't compete financially with the top one or two, can't therefore compete for places. How does Man City's money stop Newcastle beating Swansea or Hull or sunderland? It doesn't but clubs like ours want the fans to think that it does so they don't have to spend any money, or hire anyone more than a League One reject to be the manager, and a significant proportion of the crowd lap it up, go home and take photos of the league table if we're 7th on goal difference. The facts are that Arsenal's record against the clubs around them (other than Spurs, who they ritually humiliate the way we used to do to the mackems before Alan Pardew rocked up) is horrendous, relatively speaking. So was Bobby Robson's, with some notable exceptions - shit at Anfield, shit at Old Trafford, shit at Stamford Bridge and we generally got turned over at home by better sides too but most of the sides in the bottom half who came to SJP were disdainfully swatted away like an errant fly. That will get you far more points over a season than spending most of the year patting yourself on the back for being the latest in a long line to get one over David Moyes whilst Steve Bruce and Gus Poyet come to Newcastle and get Alan Pardew to wipe their arse and carry their bags to the bus. You generally need about 70 points on average to take 4th place and most teams who get 4th win around 19-21 games and draws make up the rest. If you win your home games against the rubbish, as a Newcastle team (and certainly this team, as it was three weeks ago) always should, and have half decent away form, you should be there or thereabouts without even needing to get a single point against Man City or Chelsea or Arsenal. 13 home wins, 3 draws, 4 defeats 8 away wins, 5 draws, 7 defeats That would be Champions League form. Really not too much to ask for over the course of a season if you concentrate on blowing away the utter dross that makes up the majority of the league table at home, as Arsenal do and have done for years, no matter how many times they get turned over at Old Trafford. Make up a blip or two with the odd bonus against a better side and you're there. Even if you fall short, there is never an excuse for not trying. Don't know where this chronic lack of ambition came from amongst our support considering what it was like ten years ago when 5th was rightly called out as not being good enough but it's really harming us. Even if you think Ashley's a cunt, that doesn't mean you don't have the right to demand better from the mug in charge of the team. Demand better all the time, make his life a fucking misery for serving up this shit. Vast swathes of people have bought into the club propaganda machine that because Man City have loads of money, Newcastle can't turn West Ham and Hull over at home so just let him off with it. It's embarrassing. Grow some fucking bollocks ffs. This. This, this and this is all. SBR's philosophy in a nutshell. Beat the shit out of whomever you can beat the shit out of, die trying to beat the top guns. That's literally the only mentality you need to have in ANY sport, and football, as SBR said famously, is a simple game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2562437/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Losing-Pardew-blow-club-marches-shoelaces-tied-together.html Fat, slimy cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbs Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2562437/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Losing-Pardew-blow-club-marches-shoelaces-tied-together.html Fat, slimy c***. Why? He's correct. He praises the fans massively. Its Ashley and his mismanagement of the club who the article is directed at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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